Who else here is now confident that Elizabeth Warren will not be the nominee?

[It’s so Joever]

Warren steals her friend's platform

This is a totally perverse criticism and seems symptomatic of how irrational some of Sanders’ supporters are.  Why would you attack another candidate for deciding that they agree with you?? Isn’t convincing others to agree with you the entire goal of political debate?

He is a Republican who only supports Sanders because of a rabid hatred of an exaggerated caricature of the “establishment” that probably originated on Tumblr. Don’t expect rationality.

[McNukes™ #NYCMMWasAHero]

The question has now shifted to "Sanders or Biden?" in my opinion. A collapse in Warren support may assist Buttigieg in Iowa, though.

[Heebie Jeebie]

I think the real threat to Warren's campaign was her fading into obscurity.  If nothing else, this "controversy" puts her name back in the headlines and gets people to pay attention to her.  Plus, with Buttigieg losing steam, Sanders is the obvious next target for Warren.  If she gets lucky, all those wine-track Buttigieg voters will drift back into her camp and just maybe some progressive Sanders voters will drift in as well.  The key here is that she couldn't attack Sanders on policy grounds, because that would turn off the far lefties.  Making a play for feminist solidarity is probably the best move available to her at the moment.  The odds are still against her (as they have been since the start), but she's no worse off now than she was a week or two ago.

I remember you from PredictIt, do you still go there ?

Man, I haven't been there in months.  That comment section was a fun trash heap for a while, but it turned to a real dumpster fire real fast.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

I think the real threat to Warren's campaign was her fading into obscurity.  If nothing else, this "controversy" puts her name back in the headlines and gets people to pay attention to her.  Plus, with Buttigieg losing steam, Sanders is the obvious next target for Warren.  If she gets lucky, all those wine-track Buttigieg voters will drift back into her camp and just maybe some progressive Sanders voters will drift in as well.  The key here is that she couldn't attack Sanders on policy grounds, because that would turn off the far lefties.  Making a play for feminist solidarity is probably the best move available to her at the moment.  The odds are still against her (as they have been since the start), but she's no worse off now than she was a week or two ago.

I remember you from PredictIt, do you still go there ?

Man, I haven't been there in months.  That comment section was a fun trash heap for a while, but it turned to a real dumpster fire real fast.

Yeah, I only go there to brazenly troll even more than I do here.

[Roblox]

It’s funny how this online fringe of Bernie supporters are acting like Warren broke the non-aggression pact when his campaign is the one that started floating that script a week ago.

Extremely mild criticism in a volunteer script regarding ones ability to bring in new voters is not equivalent to basically attempting to frame Sanders as a sexist.

[Non Swing Voter]

I am fairly confident she will not be the nominee (and have been for the last few weeks).

I view Biden as the slight favorite to win it all but I am not very confident he will be the nominee.  But I do think this will end up as a 2 person race between Biden and Bernie.  I think Biden/Bernie/Buttigieg might be the top 3 in Iowa and Warren could lag behind significantly.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Warren steals her friend's platform, lies about him to gain more support, discredits him in the debates, and refuses to shake his hand afterwards. I now fully support Sanders for the nomination because I want to give another middle finger to the elites and establishment. (Trump was the first middle finger)

That’s a very childish attitude. Being woke “anti-establishment” doesn’t make you different or special and won’t fix your problems.

You literally support Mitch McConnell.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I am. As the months went on I became more confident in that but I did not anticipate the hysteria in reaction to her debate performance last night. It's too rabid to be let go of so easily, especially before Iowa. This will be enough to end it now, sadly. And I say that as someone still undecided in this primary.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

I am. As the months went on I became more confident in that but I did not anticipate the hysteria in reaction to her debate performance last night. It's too rabid to be let go of so easily, especially before Iowa. This will be enough to end it now, sadly. And I say that as someone still undecided in this primary.

You were with Beto at first, question Biden's electability, but at the same time doubt Buttigieg's electability. Why is that?

[Hermit For Peace]

None of the females actually had a chance this time around. But I applaud the fact that so many campaigned to become the Presidential nominee. That has set up an easier go of it for the females running in the next election.

It's going to take a special female to win this thing and I don't think she has come into the spotlight yet.

America needs time to get comfortable with the idea that a female can be strong and powerful and be President of this country. It is what it is.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I am. As the months went on I became more confident in that but I did not anticipate the hysteria in reaction to her debate performance last night. It's too rabid to be let go of so easily, especially before Iowa. This will be enough to end it now, sadly. And I say that as someone still undecided in this primary.

You were with Beto at first, question Biden's electability, but at the same time doubt Buttigieg's electability. Why is that?

Ah, someone paid attention.

There are many reasons why I am worried about all of the Democrats and soured on many of them, but it mostly has to do with Trump's unpredictability and the way the American electorate perceives things. I don't think any Democrat can transcend the faults they may have displayed in this primary. They can win in spite of them, but I don't know how likely that is. Luck and timing is going to be integral, and no candidate can control that.

As for Buttigieg in particular, his inability to appeal to black voters is disqualifying. Sure, against trump he would still win the vast majority, but without decent turnout to bolster what may still not be enough of a vast majority of them nationwide, there is no way he wins. He has also been too wishy-washy with how he presents himself on policy and with how he campaigns.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

I am. As the months went on I became more confident in that but I did not anticipate the hysteria in reaction to her debate performance last night. It's too rabid to be let go of so easily, especially before Iowa. This will be enough to end it now, sadly. And I say that as someone still undecided in this primary.

You were with Beto at first, question Biden's electability, but at the same time doubt Buttigieg's electability. Why is that?

Ah, someone paid attention.

There are many reasons why I am worried about all of the Democrats and soured on many of them, but it mostly has to do with Trump's unpredictability and the way the American electorate perceives things. I don't think any Democrat can transcend the faults they may have displayed in this primary. They can win in spite of them, but I don't know how likely that is. Luck and timing is going to be integral, and no candidate can control that.

As for Buttigieg in particular, his inability to appeal to black voters is disqualifying. Sure, against trump he would still win the vast majority, but without decent turnout to bolster what may still not be enough of a vast majority of them nationwide, there is no way he wins. He has also been too wishy-washy with how he presents himself on policy and with how he campaigns.

Good feedback. My take is that while his appeal with black voters will make the primaries an uphill battle, it really won't matter as much in the general. The Democratic machine will turn them out like they did for Hillary and Buttigieg can potentially make up for lack of reaching Obama levels by improving among other voters.

[It’s so Joever]

Warren steals her friend's platform, lies about him to gain more support, discredits him in the debates, and refuses to shake his hand afterwards. I now fully support Sanders for the nomination because I want to give another middle finger to the elites and establishment. (Trump was the first middle finger)

That’s a very childish attitude. Being woke “anti-establishment” doesn’t make you different or special and won’t fix your problems.

You literally support Mitch McConnell.

Lol sure. While we are at it with hyperboles, you praise Stalin every night while facing Moscow.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Warren steals her friend's platform, lies about him to gain more support, discredits him in the debates, and refuses to shake his hand afterwards. I now fully support Sanders for the nomination because I want to give another middle finger to the elites and establishment. (Trump was the first middle finger)

That’s a very childish attitude. Being woke “anti-establishment” doesn’t make you different or special and won’t fix your problems.

You literally support Mitch McConnell.

Lol sure. While we are at it with hyperboles, you praise Stalin every night while facing Moscow.

The difference is, there isn't hard evidence of me praising Stalin every night. There's a pledge of you literally pledging to back McConnell in 2022.

It's funny how the forum goes after MacArthur and Monroe, but at least they're Democrats. They back Democrats. They disagree with people like me, but at the end of the day, we're all on the same side. MacArthur and Monroe will work their asses off, no matter how begrudgingly, to make sure we will win. You, Hagrid, and MissScarlett are literal Republicans trying to determine the party.

[It’s so Joever]

Warren steals her friend's platform, lies about him to gain more support, discredits him in the debates, and refuses to shake his hand afterwards. I now fully support Sanders for the nomination because I want to give another middle finger to the elites and establishment. (Trump was the first middle finger)

That’s a very childish attitude. Being woke “anti-establishment” doesn’t make you different or special and won’t fix your problems.

You literally support Mitch McConnell.

Lol sure. While we are at it with hyperboles, you praise Stalin every night while facing Moscow.

The difference is, there isn't hard evidence of me praising Stalin every night. There's a pledge of you literally pledging to back McConnell in 2022.

It's funny how the forum goes after MacArthur and Monroe, but at least they're Democrats. They back Democrats. They disagree with people like me, but at the end of the day, we're all on the same side. MacArthur and Monroe will work their asses off, no matter how begrudgingly, to make sure we will win. You, Hagrid, and MissScarlett are literal Republicans trying to determine the party.

Wow you caught me, I’m a secret Republican because I once said I would vote for a GOP senator if Bernie acts like a dictator.

I don’t support McConnell so keep your false narratives in your head.

[morgankingsley]

I always was

And I have a feeling most people will be glad in the end because hundreds of thousand of people have said that she would have been the only nominee that would have caused them to vote trump

[Diabolical Materialism]

Warren steals her friend's platform, lies about him to gain more support, discredits him in the debates, and refuses to shake his hand afterwards. I now fully support Sanders for the nomination because I want to give another middle finger to the elites and establishment. (Trump was the first middle finger)

That’s a very childish attitude. Being woke “anti-establishment” doesn’t make you different or special and won’t fix your problems.

You literally support Mitch McConnell.

Lol sure. While we are at it with hyperboles, you praise Stalin every night while facing Moscow.

And that's a good thing

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

As I stated before, the voters are nervous about putting 2 women running the country in Pelosi and Warren at the top. If Hoyer was Speaker, which he should be, it would be easier for Warren or Harris or Hillary or Klobuchar to be Prez

[OneJ]

I'm more confident than not she won't be the nominee, but if the results of the FiveThirtyEight/Ipsos poll are accurate then Warren might've helped herself with the debate performance.

[It’s so Joever]

Warren steals her friend's platform, lies about him to gain more support, discredits him in the debates, and refuses to shake his hand afterwards. I now fully support Sanders for the nomination because I want to give another middle finger to the elites and establishment. (Trump was the first middle finger)

That’s a very childish attitude. Being woke “anti-establishment” doesn’t make you different or special and won’t fix your problems.

You literally support Mitch McConnell.

Lol sure. While we are at it with hyperboles, you praise Stalin every night while facing Moscow.

And that's a good thing

NO! ITS SUPPOSED TO BE LENIN AND WHILE FACING ST PETERSBURG, YOU DIRTY INFIDEL FAKE SOCIALIST!
/s

[ElectionsGuy]

She hasn't had a good chance of being the nominee since her peak in October, but I actually think this slimy attack will help her a little bit. Too many Democratic voters trust the media and celebrate identity politics, and there's already a preconceived notion of Sanders being the divisive one, so even though she's the one that started this mess, people won't realize it and will still think Sanders is partially to blame.

[AN63093]

I think the real threat to Warren's campaign was her fading into obscurity.  If nothing else, this "controversy" puts her name back in the headlines and gets people to pay attention to her.  Plus, with Buttigieg losing steam, Sanders is the obvious next target for Warren.  If she gets lucky, all those wine-track Buttigieg voters will drift back into her camp and just maybe some progressive Sanders voters will drift in as well.  The key here is that she couldn't attack Sanders on policy grounds, because that would turn off the far lefties.  Making a play for feminist solidarity is probably the best move available to her at the moment.  The odds are still against her (as they have been since the start), but she's no worse off now than she was a week or two ago.

This is a good point.  Sanders has a pretty loyal following and his core base- that was in his camp since the beginning- were never really in Warren's.  People voting mostly on economic issues also were (by and large) not in Warren's camp either.

Warren's base was the group of voters that went from Harris > Warren > Buttigieg.  She had to do something to win back some of those voters before they settled for, say, Biden.. which is maybe where they end up in a Biden/Sanders 1-on-1.  It was a gambit- probably a losing one, but I understand why she did it, since it was the only card she had left to play.

What confuses me is why she went after Sanders as opposed to Biden.. maybe she viewed Sanders' position as more vulnerable than Biden's.. I dunno.  If some Harris>Warren>Buttigieg voters drifted to Sanders, and some drifted to Biden, maybe she saw the ones drifting to Sanders as the easier to pick up.