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« on: December 20, 2020, 03:25:54 PM »
« edited: December 20, 2020, 03:31:31 PM by lemon juice drinker »

Organized religion is infamously declining, and even among those still in, many of them are admittedly in for culturally purposes and find it hard to believe in "leaps of faith" like pregnant virgins and talking donkeys.

Although things like astrology and astral projection seem to be on the rise in younger generations, for almost everyone who doesn't believe in it already, they are complete jokes.

I think the alleged rise of extremist politics in the west is a symptom of this.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2020, 04:02:12 PM »

Materialism in the sense of scientific rationalism/reductionism? No, most people these days believe in stuff way crazier than traditional religious claims.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2020, 04:18:30 PM »

Not really, especially in the USA.  Just because there has been a rise of people identifying as "No Religion" doesn't mean that people are becoming materialists/naturalists in droves.  

https://www.pewforum.org/2018/04/25/when-americans-say-they-believe-in-god-what-do-they-mean/

The percentage of people saying they believe in God or some form of a higher power is at ~90%.  Furthermore, we see in polling around 75-80% responding affirmatively to a simple "Do you believe in God?" type question.  So materialism is most definitely not the default in society.  In addition, many people without a formal religion do believe in things like UFOs, ESP/psychics, astrology, etc.  I just don't see with this data how you can describe what is clearly very much a minority position as any kind of 'default.'
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2020, 04:29:19 PM »

 I just don't see with this data how you can describe what is clearly very much a minority position as any kind of 'default.'

I guess Corona was making me spend too much time on places like Reddit.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2020, 06:57:40 AM »

 I just don't see with this data how you can describe what is clearly very much a minority position as any kind of 'default.'

I guess Corona was making me spend too much time on places like Reddit.

Even Reddit can often get very anti-materialist, r/philosophy loves upcoming crappy idealist /panpsychist / buddhist/  drugs connects you with the philosophical core of the universe articles
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2020, 07:11:12 AM »

Organized religion is infamously declining, and even among those still in, many of them are admittedly in for culturally purposes and find it hard to believe in "leaps of faith" like pregnant virgins and talking donkeys.

Not really answering your question, but I've always found skepticism of miracles odd, at least from professed theists. Making say, a donkey speak, is trivial for an omnipotent being, so once you grant that said being exists, miracles shouldn't be a problem. But for some reason many people are much more skeptical of the former than the latter.

 I just don't see with this data how you can describe what is clearly very much a minority position as any kind of 'default.'

I guess Corona was making me spend too much time on places like Reddit.

Hehe. I've made that mistake before. Reddit is decidedly not representative of America lol.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2020, 09:24:55 AM »

Organized religion is infamously declining, and even among those still in, many of them are admittedly in for culturally purposes and find it hard to believe in "leaps of faith" like pregnant virgins and talking donkeys.

Not really answering your question, but I've always found skepticism of miracles odd, at least from professed theists. Making say, a donkey speak, is trivial for an omnipotent being, so once you grant that said being exists, miracles shouldn't be a problem. But for some reason many people are much more skeptical of the former than the latter.

I tend to lean toward the C.S. Lewis 'dual' position on miracles - that they are not a contradiction or interruption of the laws of Nature, but rather that they, just as Nature, originate from God and can only be traced to God. Therefore, a miracle is something that Nature could not produce left to her own resources, although ultimately miracles and Nature are interlocked but not in the way that humanists or naturalists perceive them. The very act of creation and mankind itself is a miracle, and from that act we 'get' Nature. But you will not find that interlocking within Nature itself.
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