Not a Single Soldier?

[12th Doctor]

I am watching Special Report w/ Brit Hume:  

Apparently Kerry was in Little Rock today and made the claim "When Bill Clinton was president, not a single American soldiers was being killed anywhere in the world.

Bullsh**t!!!

An utter lie!!!!

Anyone remember the Cole?  How about the fact that Clinton deployed US troops to dozens of hotspots around the world?  How about the fact that 50-100 soldiers were dying a year because of equipment malfunctions due to lack of funding.

Once again Kerry proves that he could tell the truth if his career depended on it.  Oh, wait....

[Kodratos]

He better stop lying if he wants to become the nation's second black president

[Lunar]

Somalia?

That is a completely false claim.  It probably was impromtu ingorance if I had to guesse.

[12th Doctor]

Somalia?

That is a completely false claim.  It probably was impromtu ingorance if I had to guesse.

How could that be ignorance?  He would have to know.  It was a lie.

[Lunar]

I think it was irgnorance because it was too blatant.  Why intentionally tell a lie that no one will believe?  Especially with the ubiquitous media and the opposing party watching his every move.

Maybe he was just thinking of the Balkan conflict.  It was a stupid thing to say.

[12th Doctor]

I think it was irgnorance because it was too blatant.  Why intentionally tell a lie that no one will believe?  Especially with the ubiquitous media and the opposing party watching his every move.

Maybe he was just thinking of the Balkan conflict.  It was a stupid thing to say.

The people at the rally cheered their heads off when he said it, obviously, someone believed it.  The Dems have plenty of people convinced the the economy is terrible, even though every piece of objective evidence (and most people's own subjective evidence) would certainly prove otherwise.  Dems don't win when they tell the truth, so they simply change the definition of the truth.

[12th Doctor]

For instance, the Dems keep saying that we are in a reccession even though we obviously aren't.

[Nation]

For instance, the Dems keep saying that we are in a reccession even though we obviously aren't.

Well, the economy is certainly not spectacular, but it's not as bad as Kerry makes it out to be. Economic cycles are usually fairly reliable, which is why I can't understand that they have such a huge impact on elections, especially when a President's administration's role in the economy is limited.

[Lunar]

For instance, the Dems keep saying that we are in a reccession even though we obviously aren't.

Sure, but that is opinion.  I agree with you, but telling this "lie" means they can get away with it.  You can't get away by saying 2 + 2 = 5 or not a single soldier died under Clinton.

I know whatever Kerry and the Democratic Party do is lying and coniving, unlike any Republicans who never smudge the truth for political gain, but is it possible to believe he just screwed up?

[dazzleman]

Not only did Kerry lie, but he is implying that it is Bush's fault that the country was attacked and has to confront evil.

Maybe if Bill Clinton had done more as president, we wouldn't be in this position.

Kerry appeals to people who want to close their eyes to reality and bring back the heavenly days of Bill Clinton.  Oh, if only he had stayed in office, or Al Gore had become president, the economy would have continued to grow like crazy and the Al-Qaeda attack would never have happened.

Never mind that the recession began as Clinton was leaving office, and the Al-Qaeda attack was fully planned and awaiting execution while Clinton was still president.

I guess if Kerry's elected, he'll just wish away the world's problems.  Good luck to us if he's elected.

[NHPolitico]

I am watching Special Report w/ Brit Hume:  

Apparently Kerry was in Little Rock today and made the claim "When Bill Clinton was president, not a single American soldiers was being killed anywhere in the world.

Bullsh**t!!!

An utter lie!!!!

Anyone remember the Cole?  How about the fact that Clinton deployed US troops to dozens of hotspots around the world?  How about the fact that 50-100 soldiers were dying a year because of equipment malfunctions due to lack of funding.

Once again Kerry proves that he could tell the truth if his career depended on it.  Oh, wait....

He was probably thinking of Bosnia. I don't think we had any combat deaths.

[Wakie]

I am watching Special Report w/ Brit Hume:  

Apparently Kerry was in Little Rock today and made the claim "When Bill Clinton was president, not a single American soldiers was being killed anywhere in the world.

Bullsh**t!!!

An utter lie!!!!

Anyone remember the Cole?  How about the fact that Clinton deployed US troops to dozens of hotspots around the world?  How about the fact that 50-100 soldiers were dying a year because of equipment malfunctions due to lack of funding.

Once again Kerry proves that he could tell the truth if his career depended on it.  Oh, wait....

Didn't see the thing your talking about but I suspect it may be a reference to Bosnia where we sustained no deaths despite GOP Congressmen insisting it would be a disaster.

I do take issue with your comment that "50-100 soldiers were dying a year because of equipment malfunctions due to lack of funding."  Cuts to defense spending started under Bush 41.  And even at its lowest point in the 90s it was still well over $300 billion (or 6 times the #2 nation in the world).  This is hardly "lack of funding".

[Huckleberry Finn]

I am watching Special Report w/ Brit Hume:  

Apparently Kerry was in Little Rock today and made the claim "When Bill Clinton was president, not a single American soldiers was being killed anywhere in the world.

Bullsh**t!!!

An utter lie!!!!

Anyone remember the Cole?  How about the fact that Clinton deployed US troops to dozens of hotspots around the world?  How about the fact that 50-100 soldiers were dying a year because of equipment malfunctions due to lack of funding.

Once again Kerry proves that he could tell the truth if his career depended on it.  Oh, wait....

He was probably thinking of Bosnia. I don't think we had any combat deaths.

I think that not Americans were being killed in Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti or Iraq bombings.

But he forgot Somalia and attacks against your Saudi bases and USS Cole. How can this guy win?

But you should remember: Bush 41 sent troops to Somalia not Clinton. But I don't think bad about it. It was the necessary operation.

[Beet]

Wow 7 replies so far and not a single one of you bothered to check up on Fox News's claims. Study after study has shown that Fox News viewers are the most misinformed of any in the American public, by wide margins believing that Saddam Hussein did 9/11, was involved in 9/11, had weapons of mass destruction, etc. etc., and this is just another example.

But don't distrust it just because it's a Republican partisan news station (thats why I distrust it, not why you should). I honestly would have believed it too had the quote not been so ludicrous. John Kerry has served in the Senate for 19 years and it is absolutely absurd that he could say such a thing. He would have to have been on Mars to be so ignorant. So after doing a Google search, this is the only quote I could find:

"when Bill Clinton left office not one young American in uniform was dying in a war anywhere in this world,'' said Kerry.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4085084,00.html

It seems to be referring to his Arkansas speech. This quote is also found in the Washington Times and the LA Times online, referring to his Arkansas speech. But the other quote is nowhere to be found. So who's lying now?

And for the record, more US troops have died under this President than Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, and Ford combined (563 hostile deaths from 1980-1999, and we had no military engagements between Vietnam and 1983).

http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/wwt.pdf

[The Duke]

First of all, I am starting a thread so people can debate whether Saddam was involved in 9/11, and I will dispute your harshly worded and partisan post there.

As for the quote, yes, technically no American was dying in a war at the moment Clinton left office.  Yet, only a short time before, several sailors did die in the Cole attack, and 19 blood thirsty hijackers were plotting to kill 3,000 innocents.  Technically it may be true, but we all know what was really going on.

As for America not being at war when Clinton left office, that is also technically true.  We were not at war, and that is the problem.  Some crazy bastards were at war with us, and we weren't responding.  They were at war with us in Munich, and Tehran, and Lebannon.  They were at war with us in Kenya, and Tanzania, and Khobar Towers.  They were at war in pizzerias in Jerusalem and discoteques in Berlin.  At war at airports in Rome and cruise ships in  the Mediterrenean.  You're right, we weren't at war, and now we are.  Thank god we finally got a President who understands how to deal with terrorists.  Unlike his predecessor, on whose watch the Trade Towers were first attacked, Bush didn't respond by refusing to let the CIA have a hand in the investigation or by turning down an offer from Sudan to hand over Osama bin Laden like Bill did (http://www.newsmax.com/clinton2.mp3).  He responded to war with war.

[dazzleman]

Kerry's statement is just more Clintonian word parsing.  Kind of like when Clinton said "that statement is false" when Gennifer Flowers said they had a 12-year affair.  Of course, he meant that the affair lasted 11 years and 364 days...

[12th Doctor]

Didn't see the thing your talking about but I suspect it may be a reference to Bosnia where we sustained no deaths despite GOP Congressmen insisting it would be a disaster.

Ummm... no, the exact quote was, "When Bill Clinton was president, not a single American soldiers was being killed anywhere in the world".  I wrote it down on a piece of scrap paper seconds after I saw him say it just to make sure I wouldn't run to the key board, forget what he said exactly, and mis-quote him.

[12th Doctor]

Saddam Hussein did 9/11, was involved in 9/11, had weapons of mass destruction, etc. etc., and this is just another example.

And since when have any of these things been disproven?  Certainly, they haven't been.

[12th Doctor]

"when Bill Clinton left office not one young American in uniform was dying in a war anywhere in this world,'' said Kerry.

Perhapes he used similar quotes twice.  at anyrate, this statement too is certainly a considerible stetch of the truth.  It may well be true, that the exact moment that Clinton left office (I believe that it was Jan. 20th 2001 at 1:00PM EST) that not a single US soldiers was dying, but there sure were a lot killed on the Cole about half a year before he made a long awaited exit.  And it would certainly seem that although Bubba didn't care about catching Arab terrorist (but he sure as Hell loved to bomb the sh**t out of asprin factories) the United States was in a de facto state of war with Bin Laden.

[The Duke]

Saddam Hussein did 9/11, was involved in 9/11, had weapons of mass destruction, etc. etc., and this is just another example.

And since when have any of these things been disproven?  Certainly, they haven't been.

Don't even bother talking sense to Beet about the Al Qeda-Iraq connection, he just will not hear any of it.

[classical liberal]

Saddam probably didn't work with bin Laden, they seem like inompatible personae, but in any case Saddam did enough other sh**t that his work with bin ladne or the lack thereof is irrelevant.

[TeePee4Prez]

Saddam Hussein did 9/11, was involved in 9/11, had weapons of mass destruction, etc. etc., and this is just another example.

And since when have any of these things been disproven?  Certainly, they haven't been.

Don't even bother talking sense to Beet about the Al Qeda-Iraq connection, he just will not hear any of it.

What was the connection again??? Hmm, facts must hurt the GOP as well.  Hey every politician has his/her stumps.  We just selectively choose which ones to buy and which ones to discard.

[The Duke]

Saddam Hussein did 9/11, was involved in 9/11, had weapons of mass destruction, etc. etc., and this is just another example.

And since when have any of these things been disproven?  Certainly, they haven't been.

Don't even bother talking sense to Beet about the Al Qeda-Iraq connection, he just will not hear any of it.

What was the connection again??? Hmm, facts must hurt the GOP as well.  Hey every politician has his/her stumps.  We just selectively choose which ones to buy and which ones to discard.

I lay out the whole case in the General Politics section.

[JohnFKennedy]

Saddam Hussein did 9/11, was involved in 9/11, had weapons of mass destruction, etc. etc., and this is just another example.

And since when have any of these things been disproven?  Certainly, they haven't been.

Don't even bother talking sense to Beet about the Al Qeda-Iraq connection, he just will not hear any of it.

What was the connection again??? Hmm, facts must hurt the GOP as well.  Hey every politician has his/her stumps.  We just selectively choose which ones to buy and which ones to discard.

Saddam Hussein has funded terrorist organisations, for example Hamas, the PLO and Hizbulla (I forget spelling heh).

[12th Doctor]

Saddam probably didn't work with bin Laden, they seem like inompatible personae, but in any case Saddam did enough other sh**t that his work with bin ladne or the lack thereof is irrelevant.

The enemy of my enemy....