Will 2028 be the first not so close election in a while?
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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2024, 01:51:42 PM »

Depends.  An Obama 2008-esque margin of victory is what I'd expect for the Democratic nominee following a second Trump presidency.  And that's probably their best case scenario.

On the flip side if Biden is reelected, I image a GOP victory would look similar to Trump's 2016 while performing better in the popular vote.
So, like Bush 04 in 2028?? 
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« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2024, 01:57:22 PM »



I also think we won't see a return to neocon GOP era. The GOP changed... since Tea Party and definitely after Trump, it's no longer the party of Bush, Romney & Reagan. It's the party of Trump, even if he leaves we get at someone who basically would run on his ideology but without his toxic persona.


I completely agree with this take. In my view, it has become somewhat evident that the two major political parties in US are increasingly definited by their stances on globalism in a broader sense.

The Democratic Party's embrace of globalization can be seen in its support for free trade agreements, immigration reform, and international cooperation on issues such as climate change and human rights. Democrats argue that globalization has the potential to create economic opportunities, promote cultural exchange and address global challenges that require collective action. On the other hand, the Republican Party has been moving towards a more protectionist and nationalist approach, advocating for trade barriers, restrictions on immigration and denial of the climate crisis. Republicans argue that globalization has led to job losses, and threats to national sovereignty and that a more isolationist approach is needed to protect American interests.

This shift in the parties' positions on globalization has somewhat blurred the traditional lines of the right-left political spectrum. While these traditional ideological boundaries remain intact, the broader debate over globalization has increasingly shaped the debate and changed voter coalitions.

It’s something generally that we are seeing all across the west . The old right left divide is slowly being replaced by a new divide which is more based on opinions of globalization and with AI it’s probably gonna get more profound as AI will transform the economy.

The only question is will we see political figures who are able to rise and create the new consensus . For the new deal/post war consensus you had FDR/Atlee and for the neoliberal one you had Reagan/Thatcher so the question is will we have a leader who can shape a new consensus or not .
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2024, 12:22:20 PM »



I also think we won't see a return to neocon GOP era. The GOP changed... since Tea Party and definitely after Trump, it's no longer the party of Bush, Romney & Reagan. It's the party of Trump, even if he leaves we get at someone who basically would run on his ideology but without his toxic persona.


I completely agree with this take. In my view, it has become somewhat evident that the two major political parties in US are increasingly definited by their stances on globalism in a broader sense.

The Democratic Party's embrace of globalization can be seen in its support for free trade agreements, immigration reform, and international cooperation on issues such as climate change and human rights. Democrats argue that globalization has the potential to create economic opportunities, promote cultural exchange and address global challenges that require collective action. On the other hand, the Republican Party has been moving towards a more protectionist and nationalist approach, advocating for trade barriers, restrictions on immigration and denial of the climate crisis. Republicans argue that globalization has led to job losses, and threats to national sovereignty and that a more isolationist approach is needed to protect American interests.

This shift in the parties' positions on globalization has somewhat blurred the traditional lines of the right-left political spectrum. While these traditional ideological boundaries remain intact, the broader debate over globalization has increasingly shaped the debate and changed voter coalitions.

It’s something generally that we are seeing all across the west . The old right left divide is slowly being replaced by a new divide which is more based on opinions of globalization and with AI it’s probably gonna get more profound as AI will transform the economy.

The only question is will we see political figures who are able to rise and create the new consensus . For the new deal/post war consensus you had FDR/Atlee and for the neoliberal one you had Reagan/Thatcher so the question is will we have a leader who can shape a new consensus or not .

Definitely this is a trend over the Western world. That's also why Tories are struggling with the Reform Party and French Republicains are under pressure from RE, which basically has superseded them as the main political party of the political right.

Another major factor is traditional voter bases are disappearing or have changed their priorties. Well educated white collar workers of the upper middle class were a key constituency for center-right parties, but have moved somewhat to the liberal side, which is why Democrats make inroads in the suburbs. Meanwhile, the traditional worker, who was usually the base of Social Democratic parties, is basically dying out. The remaining of them are increasingly repelled by their former parties embracing cultural liberalism (like LGBT rights, immigration reform, political correctness etc.).
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