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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2019, 07:29:33 PM »

Can't wait for Steve King to put up a list of people who donated to immigrant charities in his district. I'm sure that won't end badly at all. Bunch of political arsonists adding new tactics to the tool box that can be exploited by the worst people out there.

That would involve some illegal action because donations made to charities are private and the records are not available for public perusal.

Apparently this would be true.

Donated to "enemy politicians" then. My point is that racial arsonists can weaponize this new tactic extremely easily and the consequences will be dire.

How? Are they going to kill anyone who donates to Democrats? Only the nonwhites who donate, or whites too? And how would you even know their race just based on FEC data?
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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2019, 07:30:35 PM »

Doxxing is listing private information like addresses and telephone numbers. The addresses were not released, only the names of Trump's top donors in the area. Some of these people probably walk around as if they are so pious, but are simultaneously funding a criminal and a racist.

IT IS NOT FREAKING DOXXING TO SHOW PUBLIC INFORMATION.

It's not doxxing, but the type of person who would attack someone due to this probably doesn't know where to find that public information and hasn't thought to do it. Castro just made it easy.

It'll probably be fine. But you just never know.

The FEC database has every name, address, ZIP and employer of anyone who gave more than $200 to a federal campaign committee.

If someone is so depraved as to go after someone for who they contribute to, they already have the means to do that.

There are already laws against harassment, stalking, etc. It would be against the law to do those things to someone for any reason, including this one.

Can you please post your Social Security and Credit Card info, since it's already against the law for people to misuse it?

That is protected information.

Your address is not protected information.
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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2019, 07:32:30 PM »

Can't wait for Steve King to put up a list of people who donated to immigrant charities in his district. I'm sure that won't end badly at all. Bunch of political arsonists adding new tactics to the tool box that can be exploited by the worst people out there.

That would involve some illegal action because donations made to charities are private and the records are not available for public perusal.

Apparently this would be true.

Donated to "enemy politicians" then. My point is that racial arsonists can weaponize this new tactic extremely easily and the consequences will be dire.

How? Are they going to kill anyone who donates to Democrats? Only the nonwhites who donate, or whites too? And how would you even know their race just based on FEC data?

Like in this case, it would likely be specific names that, say, Steve King picks out from the list of donors to his opponent. A racial arsonist like Steve King would likely pick "certain types". No, they can't get to everyone. They can certainly make life difficult or dangerous for a select few to discourage donations.
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2019, 07:37:16 PM »

Can't wait for Steve King to put up a list of people who donated to immigrant charities in his district. I'm sure that won't end badly at all. Bunch of political arsonists adding new tactics to the tool box that can be exploited by the worst people out there.

That would involve some illegal action because donations made to charities are private and the records are not available for public perusal.

Apparently this would be true.

Donated to "enemy politicians" then. My point is that racial arsonists can weaponize this new tactic extremely easily and the consequences will be dire.

How? Are they going to kill anyone who donates to Democrats? Only the nonwhites who donate, or whites too? And how would you even know their race just based on FEC data?

Like in this case, it would likely be specific names that, say, Steve King picks out from the list of donors to his opponent. A racial arsonist like Steve King would likely pick "certain types". No, they can't get to everyone. They can certainly make life difficult or dangerous for a select few to discourage donations.

Political donors in general are overwhelmingly white and male. If you focus solely on people who max out donations ($2700), it's even whiter and male-er.

Very few Americans can afford to give away $2,700. You're not going to find a lot of minorities or immigrants on a list of those who do so.
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2019, 10:05:56 PM »

This is not doxxing.

Doxxing is acquiring and publishing information which is not even publically accessible online or is behind a pay window of some sort.

This info is completely open to the public if an individual were to spend 20 minutes learning FEC.gov/OpenSecrets.
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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2019, 10:20:04 PM »

This is exactly why even if Democrats win in 2020 things aren’t going back to “normal”. 

No.

While you are right that solid Democratic victories in the Presidential, Congressional and other elections will not return things to "normal" (where the bigotry is somewhat less virulent, and less obvious) the root cause  is not a willingness to say, "hey, these people donated money to the fascists". The root cause is that the Republican party is a home for violent bigots, fascists, radical Christian zealots, and others who do not want American to continue to exist as a representative democracy.

We will return to social stability once we all agree that we want a representative democracy, even if we disagree about the exact details.
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« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2019, 10:37:46 PM »

Yeah I'm roving cartels of immigrant caravans composed of MS13 and Antifa members are gonna come after Dana Powell the homemaker.
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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2019, 11:46:07 PM »

Its one thing to attack Trump or other politicians.  To go after private citizens for donating money to one of the two major party candidates is beyond inappropriate.
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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2019, 04:56:07 AM »

This is exactly why even if Democrats win in 2020 things aren’t going back to “normal”. 

No.

While you are right that solid Democratic victories in the Presidential, Congressional and other elections will not return things to "normal" (where the bigotry is somewhat less virulent, and less obvious) the root cause  is not a willingness to say, "hey, these people donated money to the fascists". The root cause is that the Republican party is a home for violent bigots, fascists, radical Christian zealots, and others who do not want American to continue to exist as a representative democracy.

We will return to social stability once we all agree that we want a representative democracy, even if we disagree about the exact details.
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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2019, 07:16:16 AM »

Can we get a Trump donor database? We need to know who the racist dry rot and cockroaches are.
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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2019, 08:24:34 AM »

This seems to represent an escalation in the political situation, where you have elected member's of one party trying to publicise and spread details about people who donate to another party so those people can be attacked. This newest stage will likely end in member's of one political party being killed by member's of another and vice versa in retaliation, if that should start occurring, it will likely be the prelude to even higher levels of polarisation, will be pretty fun to see how far things escalate.
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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2019, 08:46:33 AM »

The reaction to this tweet is the epitome of concern trolling.
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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2019, 09:37:43 AM »

The reaction to this tweet is the epitome of concern trolling.
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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2019, 09:44:35 AM »

Apparently, #ImpeachJoaquinCastro has been trending on twitter. I don't know if some of these people realize that representatives can't be impeached.

And yes, all this information is public, so it is a foolish thing to cause so much outrage.
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« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2019, 09:58:28 AM »

If Trump had tweeted out a list of big donors to some high profile democrats the media would be melting down saying he is somehow inciting hatred, I think Castro is well within his rights to do this, I only hope that when Republicans do this the media doesn't act as if its a huge outrage.
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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2019, 10:04:57 AM »

If Trump had tweeted out a list of big donors to some high profile democrats the media would be melting down saying he is somehow inciting hatred, I think Castro is well within his rights to do this, I only hope that when Republicans do this the media doesn't act as if its a huge outrage.

Read this thread: https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1158928847338954754
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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2019, 10:13:31 AM »

If Trump had tweeted out a list of big donors to some high profile democrats the media would be melting down saying he is somehow inciting hatred, I think Castro is well within his rights to do this, I only hope that when Republicans do this the media doesn't act as if its a huge outrage.

Read this thread: https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1158928847338954754

I've read it and I know about the attacks aimed at Wilson, he chose to go into politics as a consultant and engage actively, targeting donors who are not consultants or elected officials is different, again I'm not saying Castro can't do this or I have any issue with Castro doing this, my original post is that an elected official publishing donor names is a new step. I think the appropriate response to Castro and one that would be proportionate would be for Trump to send out a few tweets with the names of some democratic donors saying these are the people who are ruining the country and that people should hold them responsible, Trump shouldn't be afraid to fight fire with fire in my opinion.
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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2019, 10:55:01 AM »

Can't wait for Steve King to put up a list of people who donated to immigrant charities in his district. I'm sure that won't end badly at all. Bunch of political arsonists adding new tactics to the tool box that can be exploited by the worst people out there.

That would involve some illegal action because donations made to charities are private and the records are not available for public perusal.

Apparently this would be true.

Donated to "enemy politicians" then. My point is that racial arsonists can weaponize this new tactic extremely easily and the consequences will be dire.

How? Are they going to kill anyone who donates to Democrats? Only the nonwhites who donate, or whites too? And how would you even know their race just based on FEC data?

Like in this case, it would likely be specific names that, say, Steve King picks out from the list of donors to his opponent. A racial arsonist like Steve King would likely pick "certain types". No, they can't get to everyone. They can certainly make life difficult or dangerous for a select few to discourage donations.

Political donors in general are overwhelmingly white and male. If you focus solely on people who max out donations ($2700), it's even whiter and male-er.

Very few Americans can afford to give away $2,700. You're not going to find a lot of minorities or immigrants on a list of those who do so.

Interestingly Texas's biggest donor to politicians is a Muslim Republican.

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060105113

He said he donated a bit to Trump but obviously not hundreds of thousands.
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« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2019, 11:19:06 AM »

Empty suit attention you know the next word, too low of a blow.
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« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2019, 01:17:19 PM »

It bothers me that this information is public. If I want to give $200 to a candidate, that's not really anybody's business but mine and their's. Maybe the FEC needs to know, but not the public at large. Corporations are a different matter.
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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2019, 02:23:48 PM »

Apparently at least two of those Castro named were his own donors (emphasis on "were").
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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2019, 04:29:47 PM »

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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2019, 04:32:50 PM »

That said, I'm not particularly crazy about the choice to tweet out the name of donors, but it is also publicly available information and certainly not "doxxing." It also did not involve putting their names on gravestones or anything else anywhere close to that disgusting. It was simply a list of large-scale donors. I don't think it was a good choice, but neither was it something intended to instigate violence.
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« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2019, 04:36:53 PM »

Good. No person of influence should be let off the hook for helping this man into office while he's emboldening racial terrorists one tweet and speech at a time.
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