Europe-born Christian who came to US as baby deported to Iraq, dies

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

While his death is unfortunate, the government did nothing wrong and did not kill him. In fact, they went out of their way to try and ensure he maintained his insulin supply. That he failed the manage it isn't the government's fault. That he came here as a minor does not and should not give him a legal status he neither deserved nor merited by his life choices.

It's unfortunate that Greece does not recognize birthright citizenship, but that is their prerogative. It's unfortunate that his parents never tried to get him American citizenship. It's unfortunate he turned to a life of crime. It's unfortunate the government of Iraq didn't bother to help him. It's unfortunate the NGOs which pledged to help him failed. It's unfortunate he never turned to his native Chaldean Catholic Church for help. A myriad of unfortunate circumstances aligned to bring us to this point, but deporting him was not wrong. It was not a death sentence.

It's unfortunate that you're not willing to extend your zone of empathy and compassion to a pretty obvious case of disproportionate punishment just because of your politics.

[Mercenary]

Our immigration system is beyond stupid.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Hmm seems incredibly evil.

But I know ICE almost never deports non criminals.

Easy search finds that he committed a home invasion.

Not being a us citizen  and getting deported goes hand in hand.There is literally nothing wrong with deporting criminals although he could face persecution.  Anyway there is clearly more nuance here than simply Trump killed refugee.

Amazing how the whole story wasn't told.

[Crumpets]

Hmm seems incredibly evil.

But I know ICE almost never deports non criminals.

Easy search finds that he committed a home invasion.

Not being a us citizen  and getting deported goes hand in hand.There is literally nothing wrong with deporting criminals although he could face persecution.  Anyway there is clearly more nuance here than simply Trump killed refugee.

Amazing how the whole story wasn't told.

It wasn't told because it doesn't matter. I'm sure some of the people killed on 9/11 had a DUI once. That doesn't make 9/11 okay. A home invasion does not warrant a death penalty or being banished to a wartorn country where you don't know the language or anyone there. It is a blatant violation of his 8th Amendment rights.

[Fight for Trump]

It wasn't told because it doesn't matter. I'm sure some of the people killed on 9/11 had a DUI once. That doesn't make 9/11 okay. A home invasion does not warrant a death penalty or being banished to a wartorn country where you don't know the language or anyone there. It is a blatant violation of his 8th Amendment rights.

It would be very harsh to deport someone to Iraq for a DUI conviction, yes.

An ICE spokesperson in Detroit said that Aldaoud had “an extensive criminal history“ that involved at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017, and had twice been ordered removed from the U.S.

The convictions included assault with a dangerous weapon, domestic violence, theft of personal property, and breaking and entering, according to ICE. A POLITICO search of court records showed Aldaoud served 17 months for a home invasion in 2013.

This is not such a defensible rap sheet, though.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

It wasn't told because it doesn't matter. I'm sure some of the people killed on 9/11 had a DUI once. That doesn't make 9/11 okay. A home invasion does not warrant a death penalty or being banished to a wartorn country where you don't know the language or anyone there. It is a blatant violation of his 8th Amendment rights.

It would be very harsh to deport someone to Iraq for a DUI conviction, yes.

An ICE spokesperson in Detroit said that Aldaoud had “an extensive criminal history“ that involved at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017, and had twice been ordered removed from the U.S.

The convictions included assault with a dangerous weapon, domestic violence, theft of personal property, and breaking and entering, according to ICE. A POLITICO search of court records showed Aldaoud served 17 months for a home invasion in 2013.

This is not such a defensible rap sheet, though.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/08/politico-iraqi-man-criminal-convictions/

This is Aldaoud's defense for his home invasion:

Aldaoud admitted to stealing power tools from a stranger’s garage but believed it was a misdemeanor, not a felony.

To say it doesn't matter is an indefensible statement.  It does matter.  In life, Aldaoud's conduct posed a risk to the property and person of others, and persons are entitled to defense against him.  That he had MULTIPLE arrests and convictions, including violent offenses toward persons, does very much matter.  Jimmy Aldaoud was a person that people required protection from.

To argue that Aldaoud should have been allowed to stay in the US despite his significant criminal past (and despite his rather calculating attitudes about his criminality) is another issue.  My own viewpoint on the subject is that the DACAs should be granted immediate permanent residency, and many should be granted immediate citizenship, in that they know nothing but life in America.  Jimmy Aldaoud was a crminal, and a person who appeared to have little empathy for others, but he was OUR sociopath, and we should have accepted him as such.  But that he was a criminal DOES matter.  And it's something that should be in the lead when discussing his case.

I would also suggest that this individual isn't the best "poster child" for the plight of the DACAs, and for obvious reasons.  I don't want to make him to be a bigger criminal than he was in life, but he committed acts of violence against others that were crimes.  He punched his own ticket.  Had he not committed crimes (especially felonies), he'd still be in the US, and (possibly) still alive.  That's on Aldaoud, and on Aldaoud alone.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

While his death is unfortunate, the government did nothing wrong and did not kill him. In fact, they went out of their way to try and ensure he maintained his insulin supply. That he failed the manage it isn't the government's fault. That he came here as a minor does not and should not give him a legal status he neither deserved nor merited by his life choices.

It's unfortunate that Greece does not recognize birthright citizenship, but that is their prerogative. It's unfortunate that his parents never tried to get him American citizenship. It's unfortunate he turned to a life of crime. It's unfortunate the government of Iraq didn't bother to help him. It's unfortunate the NGOs which pledged to help him failed. It's unfortunate he never turned to his native Chaldean Catholic Church for help. A myriad of unfortunate circumstances aligned to bring us to this point, but deporting him was not wrong. It was not a death sentence.

It's unfortunate that you're not willing to extend your zone of empathy and compassion to a pretty obvious case of disproportionate punishment just because of your politics.

Was it too much to expect Aldaoud to simply not commit crimes?

I'll agree that we should have accepted him as one of our own criminals and let him stay.  But Mr. Aldaoud hasn't exactly been a compassionate sort of person.  Again:  His defense of breaking into a man's garage and stealing things is that he thought it would be a misdemeanor and not a felony.  No, "I'm sorry; that was wrong!" or anything like that. 

Had Mr. Aldaoud been allowed to remain in the US, and had he committed a crime against someone else, what would you say to that person if that person found out that the person that burglarized their property or committed a battery against them should have been deported, but was not deported, in the name of "compassion"?  There's no evidence in his story that he had drastically changed his lifestyle, and there's not evidence that he was remorseful for his offenses, or took some kind of personal sense of responsibility not only to make right his past acts, but to not do such things again.  What would you say to someone who had been victimized by Mr. Aldaoud AFTER he had received mercy?

That's a fair question.  You blow off a serious poster whose post is entirely accurate and truthful, and defend a criminal who never exhibited any serious repentance for his criminal actions.  I honestly don't get this.  I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter.  Surely, they are deserving of the expansion of the zone of empathy and compassion of the body of the Atlas Left, which, in the eyes of Angel Moms and the Steinle family, must appear to be microscopic in size.

[Fight for Trump]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter. 

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

[Badger]

This is what the Trump supporters want though. They want refugees and other people who weren’t born here to go away. Surely it’s not because of racism or anything.

Republicans are all either evil, or perfectly willing willing to tolerate evil to get what they want, episode number 6597

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter. 

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

Yes.  Yes it is.

If only Jimmy Aldaoud had not been deported due to inaction on resolving the issue of the "Dreamers", he'd be alive today.  That's the point of this thread.  And I might agree with this.  Jimmy Aldaoud was deported because the law was followed; whether he died as a direct result of that is debatable.

Kate Steinle, on the other hand, is dead because José Inez García Zárate was not surrendered to ICE to be deported, in accordance with law.  Kate's death was a direct result of the nonfeasance of local officials who did not turn over Mr. Zarate to ICE for purely political reasons. 

People who have shown no sympathy for the Steinle Family, or for Angel Moms in general, are not credible in their lectures about compassion and justice.  I cannot see how any official of San Francisco can say anything to the Steinle Family without the utmost sense of guilt and shame, but some people are, indeed, devoid of introspection.  No one here has any real moral authority to tell Dr. RI that he needs to expand his zone of compassion, unless they're willing to extend real compassion to the Steinle Family. 

Yes this is "whataboutism", and it's long overdue.

[DC Al Fine]

Paleoconservative, erstwhile Trump-curious conservative Christian writer Rod Dreher realizes the enormity of what's going on here.

He'll be back on the Trump train once a new media item excites the less merciful sides of his brain.

Paleoconservative, erstwhile Trump-curious conservative Christian writer Rod Dreher realizes the enormity of what's going on here.

Of course, it certainly "helps" with the paleocons and assorted right-twice-a-days that the victim is a Christian deported to a Muslim-majority country.

Yeah, obviously, but a moment of empathy is a moment of empathy.

I don't know how much you read Dreher, but I don't think that it's fair to describe him as Trump-curious. For as long as I can remember, he's been criticizing Trump as an avatar of the "post-Christian right."

While he has his less critical moments, those are directly attributable to his belief that both major parties literally are under the thrall of demons.

Well that's just objectively true.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter.

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

Yes.  Yes it is.

If only Jimmy Aldaoud had not been deported due to inaction on resolving the issue of the "Dreamers", he'd be alive today.  That's the point of this thread.  And I might agree with this.  Jimmy Aldaoud was deported because the law was followed; whether he died as a direct result of that is debatable.

Kate Steinle, on the other hand, is dead because José Inez García Zárate was not surrendered to ICE to be deported, in accordance with law.  Kate's death was a direct result of the nonfeasance of local officials who did not turn over Mr. Zarate to ICE for purely political reasons.  

People who have shown no sympathy for the Steinle Family, or for Angel Moms in general, are not credible in their lectures about compassion and justice.  I cannot see how any official of San Francisco can say anything to the Steinle Family without the utmost sense of guilt and shame, but some people are, indeed, devoid of introspection.  No one here has any real moral authority to tell Dr. RI that he needs to expand his zone of compassion, unless they're willing to extend real compassion to the Steinle Family.  

Yes this is "whataboutism", and it's long overdue.

God what an embarrassing series of posts.

Nobody has ever said that Steinle deserved to be murdered in the same way that people are arguing Aldaoud deserved to be deported. Nobody is withholding sympathy/compassion from the Steinle family. This false equivalence is bad even for you.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter.

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

Yes.  Yes it is.

If only Jimmy Aldaoud had not been deported due to inaction on resolving the issue of the "Dreamers", he'd be alive today.  That's the point of this thread.  And I might agree with this.  Jimmy Aldaoud was deported because the law was followed; whether he died as a direct result of that is debatable.

Kate Steinle, on the other hand, is dead because José Inez García Zárate was not surrendered to ICE to be deported, in accordance with law.  Kate's death was a direct result of the nonfeasance of local officials who did not turn over Mr. Zarate to ICE for purely political reasons.  

People who have shown no sympathy for the Steinle Family, or for Angel Moms in general, are not credible in their lectures about compassion and justice.  I cannot see how any official of San Francisco can say anything to the Steinle Family without the utmost sense of guilt and shame, but some people are, indeed, devoid of introspection.  No one here has any real moral authority to tell Dr. RI that he needs to expand his zone of compassion, unless they're willing to extend real compassion to the Steinle Family.  

Yes this is "whataboutism", and it's long overdue.

God what an embarrassing series of posts.

Nobody has ever said that Steinle deserved to be murdered in the same way that people are arguing Aldaoud deserved to be deported. Nobody is withholding sympathy/compassion from the Steinle family. This false equivalence is bad even for you.

But nobody has acknowledged that Kate Steinlie is dead because her killer was not handed over to ICE to be deported.  On top of that, her killer had reentered the US AFTER having been previously deported.  Reentering the US AFTER being previously deported is a Federal Felony; her killer actually committed a felony by virtue of re-entering the country.

What people have not done here is acknowledge that not only is the Steinle Family's grief  understandable, but that their anger toward the perpetuators of Sanctuary Cities is both understandable and justifiable.  The Steinlies know that their daughter is dead solely because of the concept of Sanctuary Cities made real at the expense of Kate Steinlie's life.  That's not an exaggeration; that's a basic fact.  And it's a reflection on much of the Atlas Left when they can extend sympathy for Jimmy Aldaoud and blame Trump and ICE for his death, while asserting that those who enacted Sanctuary Cities are blameless in Kate Steinlie's death.  Sanctuary Cities killed Kate Steinlie, a law-abiding American Citizen.  If we're going to blame the Trump and US Government for Jimmy Aldaoud, when are we going to blame Newsom and California state and local governments for Kate Steinlie?

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter.

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

Yes.  Yes it is.

If only Jimmy Aldaoud had not been deported due to inaction on resolving the issue of the "Dreamers", he'd be alive today.  That's the point of this thread.  And I might agree with this.  Jimmy Aldaoud was deported because the law was followed; whether he died as a direct result of that is debatable.

Kate Steinle, on the other hand, is dead because José Inez García Zárate was not surrendered to ICE to be deported, in accordance with law.  Kate's death was a direct result of the nonfeasance of local officials who did not turn over Mr. Zarate to ICE for purely political reasons.  

People who have shown no sympathy for the Steinle Family, or for Angel Moms in general, are not credible in their lectures about compassion and justice.  I cannot see how any official of San Francisco can say anything to the Steinle Family without the utmost sense of guilt and shame, but some people are, indeed, devoid of introspection.  No one here has any real moral authority to tell Dr. RI that he needs to expand his zone of compassion, unless they're willing to extend real compassion to the Steinle Family.  

Yes this is "whataboutism", and it's long overdue.

God what an embarrassing series of posts.

Nobody has ever said that Steinle deserved to be murdered in the same way that people are arguing Aldaoud deserved to be deported. Nobody is withholding sympathy/compassion from the Steinle family. This false equivalence is bad even for you.

But nobody has acknowledged that Kate Steinlie is dead because her killer was not handed over to ICE to be deported.

Not only is this not true (who has ever argued that this is not true?) but it's really not the same argument that's being used to justify Aldaoud's expulsion.

What people have not done here is acknowledge that not only is the Steinle Family's grief  understandable, but that their anger toward the perpetuators of Sanctuary Cities is both understandable and justifiable.  The Steinlies know that their daughter is dead solely because of the concept of Sanctuary Cities made real at the expense of Kate Steinlie's life.  That's not an exaggeration; that's a basic fact.  And it's a reflection on much of the Atlas Left when they can extend sympathy for Jimmy Aldaoud and blame Trump and ICE for his death, while asserting that those who enacted Sanctuary Cities are blameless in Kate Steinlie's death.  Sanctuary Cities killed Kate Steinlie, a law-abiding American Citizen.  If we're going to blame the Trump and US Government for Jimmy Aldaoud, when are we going to blame Newsom and California state and local governments for Kate Steinlie?

Again, nobody is going to deny the fact that if the killer was not physically present in San Francisco on the day of the shooting, that Steinle would not be dead.

The argument in the Steinle case is about the conclusions drawn from it. Namely, the implication that the Steinle case is representative of a disproportionate amount of violent crime attributable to immigrants, from which a large proportion of Trump-era immigration policy is derived. This implication is demonstrably not true; when you ride this hobby horse, this is often pointed out to you, which you ignore as you continue to parrot the same (false) claims.

I will clarify here (not that you are interested in good faith intepretations of my position): I am not opposed to the deportation of recent immigrants who commit violent crimes. Zarate should have been deported. In fact, he was deported! Several times! And, as you pointed out, he returned to the country illegally! I don't know anybody who is arguing for Zarate to not be deported, ever.

If the goal of removing Aldaoud is to protect potential future victims of violent crime, then incarceration in the United States is sufficient. However, expulsion from the United States into a foreign community where he has no social ties, does not speak the language, and has a health condition which he will have to navigate in addition to the challenges above, is unnecessary for reaching that goal. Given that an alternative to prevent future crime exists, the conclusion here is that this was inflicted solely to be cruel and punitive. If you argue backwards from the position that all immigrants who commit violent crimes should be deported, then of course you will tautologically believe that this person who is technically an immigrant and committed crime should be deported. But cases like this prove that an incredibly doctrinaire approach which ignores cases, e.g., where a person was raised in this country and has no connections to his "home country", is unnecessarily cruel.

[T'Chenka]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter.

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

Yes.  Yes it is.

If only Jimmy Aldaoud had not been deported due to inaction on resolving the issue of the "Dreamers", he'd be alive today.  That's the point of this thread.  And I might agree with this.  Jimmy Aldaoud was deported because the law was followed; whether he died as a direct result of that is debatable.

Kate Steinle, on the other hand, is dead because José Inez García Zárate was not surrendered to ICE to be deported, in accordance with law.  Kate's death was a direct result of the nonfeasance of local officials who did not turn over Mr. Zarate to ICE for purely political reasons.  

People who have shown no sympathy for the Steinle Family, or for Angel Moms in general, are not credible in their lectures about compassion and justice.  I cannot see how any official of San Francisco can say anything to the Steinle Family without the utmost sense of guilt and shame, but some people are, indeed, devoid of introspection.  No one here has any real moral authority to tell Dr. RI that he needs to expand his zone of compassion, unless they're willing to extend real compassion to the Steinle Family.  

Yes this is "whataboutism", and it's long overdue.

God what an embarrassing series of posts.

Nobody has ever said that Steinle deserved to be murdered in the same way that people are arguing Aldaoud deserved to be deported. Nobody is withholding sympathy/compassion from the Steinle family. This false equivalence is bad even for you.

Republicans are now adopting Trump debate techniques: triple down and quadruple down when backed into a corner.

[T'Chenka]

Hmm seems incredibly evil.

But I know ICE almost never deports non criminals.

Easy search finds that he committed a home invasion.

Not being a us citizen  and getting deported goes hand in hand.There is literally nothing wrong with deporting criminals although he could face persecution.  Anyway there is clearly more nuance here than simply Trump killed refugee.

Amazing how the whole story wasn't told.

It wasn't told because it doesn't matter. I'm sure some of the people killed on 9/11 had a DUI once. That doesn't make 9/11 okay. A home invasion does not warrant a death penalty or being banished to a wartorn country where you don't know the language or anyone there. It is a blatant violation of his 8th Amendment rights.

Republicans - MUH CONSTITUTION

Also Republicans - THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T MATTER

Also Also Republicans - TAKE US SERIOUSLY

[Badger]

While his death is unfortunate, the government did nothing wrong and did not kill him. In fact, they went out of their way to try and ensure he maintained his insulin supply. That he failed the manage it isn't the government's fault. That he came here as a minor does not and should not give him a legal status he neither deserved nor merited by his life choices.

It's unfortunate that Greece does not recognize birthright citizenship, but that is their prerogative. It's unfortunate that his parents never tried to get him American citizenship. It's unfortunate he turned to a life of crime. It's unfortunate the government of Iraq didn't bother to help him. It's unfortunate the NGOs which pledged to help him failed. It's unfortunate he never turned to his native Chaldean Catholic Church for help. A myriad of unfortunate circumstances aligned to bring us to this point, but deporting him was not wrong. It was not a death sentence.

It's unfortunate that you're not willing to extend your zone of empathy and compassion to a pretty obvious case of disproportionate punishment just because of your politics.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter.

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

Yes.  Yes it is.

If only Jimmy Aldaoud had not been deported due to inaction on resolving the issue of the "Dreamers", he'd be alive today.  That's the point of this thread.  And I might agree with this.  Jimmy Aldaoud was deported because the law was followed; whether he died as a direct result of that is debatable.

Kate Steinle, on the other hand, is dead because José Inez García Zárate was not surrendered to ICE to be deported, in accordance with law.  Kate's death was a direct result of the nonfeasance of local officials who did not turn over Mr. Zarate to ICE for purely political reasons.  

People who have shown no sympathy for the Steinle Family, or for Angel Moms in general, are not credible in their lectures about compassion and justice.  I cannot see how any official of San Francisco can say anything to the Steinle Family without the utmost sense of guilt and shame, but some people are, indeed, devoid of introspection.  No one here has any real moral authority to tell Dr. RI that he needs to expand his zone of compassion, unless they're willing to extend real compassion to the Steinle Family.  

Yes this is "whataboutism", and it's long overdue.

God what an embarrassing series of posts.

Nobody has ever said that Steinle deserved to be murdered in the same way that people are arguing Aldaoud deserved to be deported. Nobody is withholding sympathy/compassion from the Steinle family. This false equivalence is bad even for you.

Republicans are now adopting Trump debate techniques: triple down and quadruple down when backed into a corner.

We're hardly backed into a corner.  We're not the ones who've presented a demonstrably false narrative here.  Nor are we the ones who's primary empathy is for the lawless Aldaoud and not the law-abiding Steinlie Family, who are direct victims of the practice of Sanctuary Cities.  In life, Kate Steinlie could not fine a safe sanctuary in the city she lived in, and the politicians that established the Sanctuary Cities policies are the ones that indirectly caused her death.

[Badger]

This whole thread reminds me that horrible people are drawn to the internet, because actual people and feelings frighten them

[T'Chenka]

I regret what happened to Mr. Aldaoud, and I would have allowed him to stay in the US, given the totality of circumstances in his case, but if Dr. RI needs to "expand his zone of empathy and compassion", perhaps you could expand yours to include the family of Kate Steinle.  And all the other "Angel Moms" for that matter.

Whataboutery, Fuzzy...

Yes.  Yes it is.

If only Jimmy Aldaoud had not been deported due to inaction on resolving the issue of the "Dreamers", he'd be alive today.  That's the point of this thread.  And I might agree with this.  Jimmy Aldaoud was deported because the law was followed; whether he died as a direct result of that is debatable.

Kate Steinle, on the other hand, is dead because José Inez García Zárate was not surrendered to ICE to be deported, in accordance with law.  Kate's death was a direct result of the nonfeasance of local officials who did not turn over Mr. Zarate to ICE for purely political reasons.  

People who have shown no sympathy for the Steinle Family, or for Angel Moms in general, are not credible in their lectures about compassion and justice.  I cannot see how any official of San Francisco can say anything to the Steinle Family without the utmost sense of guilt and shame, but some people are, indeed, devoid of introspection.  No one here has any real moral authority to tell Dr. RI that he needs to expand his zone of compassion, unless they're willing to extend real compassion to the Steinle Family.  

Yes this is "whataboutism", and it's long overdue.

God what an embarrassing series of posts.

Nobody has ever said that Steinle deserved to be murdered in the same way that people are arguing Aldaoud deserved to be deported. Nobody is withholding sympathy/compassion from the Steinle family. This false equivalence is bad even for you.

Republicans are now adopting Trump debate techniques: triple down and quadruple down when backed into a corner.

We're hardly backed into a corner.  We're not the ones who've presented a demonstrably false narrative here.  Nor are we the ones who's primary empathy is for the lawless Aldaoud and not the law-abiding Steinlie Family, who are direct victims of the practice of Sanctuary Cities.  In life, Kate Steinlie could not fine a safe sanctuary in the city she lived in, and the politicians that established the Sanctuary Cities policies are the ones that indirectly caused her death.

Most of the Republican manifesto is a demonstrably false narrative. See Fuzzy, blue avatars sit there and say things like this, but on the occasional times when we stop and try to unpack Republican arguments, one of two things happens 80% of the time. Either you can't actually back up your claims with evidence and logic, or a red avatar will provide evidence or proof that you're wrong. This does not deter you. You simply disappear or provide more unproveable claims or use whataboutism to change the subject.

I wish this website had some sort of A.I. fact checker to grade all of our posts on adherence to facts like high school assignments. Republicans would be flunking out on a daily basis. I wod actually take the time to do it myself if I thought you were concerned about getting the facts right and discovering the truth regardless of partisanship. Conservative America will not budge at this point. Fact-checking them is a time waster in most cases. Sad...