Why doesn't Atlas have any real anti-Covid vaxxers even amongst Republicans?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Because people like this are actually pretty rare.  The only place they exist in significant numbers are in politically-driven, MSM narratives about the pandemic. 

Then why is almost half the population still unvaccinated?

Firstly, it is only slightly more than one-third of Americans who are unvaccinated at this point.

Secondly, "one half" of Americans being unvaccinated =/= this half being militant, anti-vax Trumpists.  Overrepresented among the unvaccinated are the poor, uneducated, undocumented and young.  These are hardly solidly Trump-voting demographics (if they're even voters at all.)   

Shhhh. It's easier to feel superior to those ignorant-in-every-way Trump voters if you just imagine them to be massively anti-vax as a whole.
God forbid we have any humility...

[Del Tachi]

Republicans are not anti-vaxxers.

A solid half of them are.

91% of Biden voters and 50% of Trump voters are fully vaccinated

Other than the obvious point that the polling industry has been completed discredited over the past 6 years (so we should take these stats with a very heavy grain of salt), missing from this discussion is that non-voters probably represent the largest segment of the remaining unvaccinated population, seeing as voting itself is correlated with all sorts of positive social behavior that would include responding to public health information.

Does anyone honestly believe that vaccination rates are higher among non-voting Blacks, Latinos or under-30s than they are Republican voters (who as a whole are Whiter, wealthier and older than the American populace at large?)  lol 

[Badger]

Republicans are not anti-vaxxers.  I'm not an anti-vaxxer; I'm fully vaccinated.  Most conservative Republicans I know are vaccinated.  Republicans ARE opposed to forced vaccinations, vaxx passports, and the Authoritarian responses to the COVID-19 epidemic in general. 

I will recount an example in my own life.  My oldest son was unresponsive as a small child after receiving the Pertussis (Whooping Cough) vaccine.  For this reason, he was not given boosters in this vaccine.  I remember my wife having to do battle with some tyrant bureaucrat from the School system over his not being up to date on this vaccine.  This wasn't some kind of statement; this was an issue of life and death.  The tyrant bureaucrat was brought to heel, but not before threats of a lawsuit.  They did not care; they only understood the threat of a lawsuit before they backed down.  Would you let your kid be vaccinated to satisfy the tyrranical dictates of a bureaucrat?  You tell me.  Would you like to be the kid whose parents would meekly submit and risk their health?  Again, you tell me.

 This is  Is anti-vaccination propagando 101. L oh L!

[Badger]

Because people like this are actually pretty rare.  The only place they exist in significant numbers are in politically-driven, MSM narratives about the pandemic. 

Then why is almost half the population still unvaccinated?

Firstly, it is only slightly more than one-third of Americans who are unvaccinated at this point.

Secondly, "one half" of Americans being unvaccinated =/= this half being militant, anti-vax Trumpists.  Overrepresented among the unvaccinated are the poor, uneducated, undocumented and young.  These are hardly solidly Trump-voting demographics (if they're even voters at all.)   

91% of Biden voters and 50% of Trump voters are fully vaccinated


 Is while vaccination rates lag among communities of color, among white D is my wife the primary differential is differential between whether one is vaccinated or not, by overwhelming mass of amount, is whether oisn't whether or not 1 voted  For Biden versus trump.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Most of us aren't dumbs.

[Woody]

SirWoodbury is one

No I am not.

[YE]

Because even half of Republicans irl are vaccinated.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

I'd also add that vaccination rates are positively correlated with income and education levels, even when controlling for partisanship.  For instance, I believe that my county has the highest vaccination rate in Tennessee, despite voting to the right of the state as a whole.

[RI]

In addition to education, there's a strong generational divide: many anti-vax Republicans are Gen X, whereas this forum is almost entirely Millennial and Gen Z.

[Schiff for Senate]

The majority of all posters stumbled upon this forum because they were at least marginally interested in psephology, no?   Anti-vaxxers would generally be the type of person who would never believe in such lies as "data", "maps", and "election" "results".

Especially given that most of them are too thick for it to have sunk in that Biden won even now. Honestly, outside of a few here and there, I think the vast majority of posters here know that Biden won in 2020. Even THG, a strong Trumpist, knows that Biden won (I think).

[Schiff for Senate]

Vaccination rates are not solely based on partisanship. I feel that educational trends are also a factor- a highly educated Republican county probably has a higher vaccination rate than a fairly less educated Democratic county:

https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417865324502913027
https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417872303770284032
Also, the most vaccinated county in Florida is Sumter County- home to the Villages, which went 68% for Trump. Just to shoehorn in another example.

Fair enough, but all the well-educated and wealthy red counties are trending leftward. Sumter County shifted 3.9 points leftward in 2020 (more than the nation). Woodford County shifted 8.1 points leftward (much more than the nation), and similarly, Williamson County shifted 8.9 points leftward- Biden outperformed both Bill Clinton and native son Al Gore in Williamson.
Conversely, Berkshire shifted 6.5 points rightward from 2012 to 2020 as Biden outperformed Obama, and Dallas County shifted 2.1 points rightward. There is a definitely strong correlation between being a diehard MAGA supporter and being unvaccinated - Trump himself is anti-vaccine, and in some ways, you can't be truly MAGA if you trust the vaccine (not that I'd ever want to be).

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Vaccination rates are not solely based on partisanship. I feel that educational trends are also a factor- a highly educated Republican county probably has a higher vaccination rate than a fairly less educated Democratic county:

https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417865324502913027
https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417872303770284032
Also, the most vaccinated county in Florida is Sumter County- home to the Villages, which went 68% for Trump. Just to shoehorn in another example.

Fair enough, but all the well-educated and wealthy red counties are trending leftward. Sumter County shifted 3.9 points leftward in 2020 (more than the nation). Woodford County shifted 8.1 points leftward (much more than the nation), and similarly, Williamson County shifted 8.9 points leftward- Biden outperformed both Bill Clinton and native son Al Gore in Williamson.
Conversely, Berkshire shifted 6.5 points rightward from 2012 to 2020 as Biden outperformed Obama, and Dallas County shifted 2.1 points rightward. There is a definitely strong correlation between being a diehard MAGA supporter and being unvaccinated - Trump himself is anti-vaccine, and in some ways, you can't be truly MAGA if you trust the vaccine (not that I'd ever want to be).

That's not accurate.  The Trump Administration prioritized the development of the vaccine.  Donald Trump himself is also vaccinated and has encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated.

[Schiff for Senate]

Vaccination rates are not solely based on partisanship. I feel that educational trends are also a factor- a highly educated Republican county probably has a higher vaccination rate than a fairly less educated Democratic county:

https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417865324502913027
https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417872303770284032
Also, the most vaccinated county in Florida is Sumter County- home to the Villages, which went 68% for Trump. Just to shoehorn in another example.

Fair enough, but all the well-educated and wealthy red counties are trending leftward. Sumter County shifted 3.9 points leftward in 2020 (more than the nation). Woodford County shifted 8.1 points leftward (much more than the nation), and similarly, Williamson County shifted 8.9 points leftward- Biden outperformed both Bill Clinton and native son Al Gore in Williamson.
Conversely, Berkshire shifted 6.5 points rightward from 2012 to 2020 as Biden outperformed Obama, and Dallas County shifted 2.1 points rightward. There is a definitely strong correlation between being a diehard MAGA supporter and being unvaccinated - Trump himself is anti-vaccine, and in some ways, you can't be truly MAGA if you trust the vaccine (not that I'd ever want to be).

That's not accurate.  The Trump Administration prioritized the development of the vaccine.  Donald Trump himself is also vaccinated and has encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated.

When he did encourage them to get the vaccine at a Trump rally in 2021, he got booed. So maybe it's not Trump himself, but at least his supporters (in many cases, many of them are allegedly "pro-life") are rabdily anti-vaccine for the most part.

[Meclazine for Israel]

We have an anti-vaxxer at my work. He is slowly getting dragged into a world where he will be forced to be vaccinated to keep his employment.

Once airlines mandate vaccinations, then he will have no choice as our job requires a lot of travel.

[Alben Barkley]

Higher education rates and IQ even among the right-wingers here I suspect.

It takes a certain level of knowledge and, quite frankly, nerdiness, to even stumble upon let alone seek out a forum such as this. I found it by obsessively searching election results and predictions and ultimately going down a rabbit hole. Most people who do such things are simply way more informed, one way or another, than the average person about the issues of the day. And if you are, you also probably are knowledgeable and intelligent enough to know that anti-vaccination is essentially a suicidal stance. I mean even Trump is pro-vaxx. It takes a VERY SPECIAL level of stupid to be anti-vaxx.

[Hammy]

In addition to education, there's a strong generational divide: many anti-vax Republicans are Gen X, whereas this forum is almost entirely Millennial and Gen Z.

That's honestly surprising, I would've expected boomers to be the most anti-vax.

[Alben Barkley]

Vaccination rates are not solely based on partisanship. I feel that educational trends are also a factor- a highly educated Republican county probably has a higher vaccination rate than a fairly less educated Democratic county:

https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417865324502913027
https://www.twitter.com/mtracey/status/1417872303770284032
Also, the most vaccinated county in Florida is Sumter County- home to the Villages, which went 68% for Trump. Just to shoehorn in another example.

Fair enough, but all the well-educated and wealthy red counties are trending leftward. Sumter County shifted 3.9 points leftward in 2020 (more than the nation). Woodford County shifted 8.1 points leftward (much more than the nation), and similarly, Williamson County shifted 8.9 points leftward- Biden outperformed both Bill Clinton and native son Al Gore in Williamson.
Conversely, Berkshire shifted 6.5 points rightward from 2012 to 2020 as Biden outperformed Obama, and Dallas County shifted 2.1 points rightward. There is a definitely strong correlation between being a diehard MAGA supporter and being unvaccinated - Trump himself is anti-vaccine, and in some ways, you can't be truly MAGA if you trust the vaccine (not that I'd ever want to be).

Yeah I feel especially well-qualified to speak to this one, as Woodford County is literally right down the street from me and I've spent a lot of time there. It's a fairly well-off and well-educated suburban county for the most part (famously, at least locally, it is home to the Kentucky Castle!) and as you note, it is trending left. Berkshire MA is in almost the opposite situation in that it is a strongly Democratic county, yes, but one of the few left in the nation where most WWC voters still vote Democratic. It isn't quite trending in the opposite direction yet, but it wouldn't be too hard for me to imagine a reality in which a decade or two down the line, Woodford County (or certainly at least Fayette County) votes to the left of a place like Berkshire County.

Also when it comes to the Williamson TN and Dallas AL comparison... elephant in the room is that even Democratic-voting black Americans are still far more likely to be vaccine skeptics than even Republican-voting white suburban Americans. So that's not surprising to me at all either.

Basically at the end of the day, vaccination rates come down to education rates more than anything else. So Tracey is correct in suggesting that it's not entirely partisanship, but it IS an educated thing. And honestly, I'll go one politically incorrect step farther and suggest that it's an INTELLIGENCE thing. Anyone with a brain should have been vaccinated long ago at this point, frankly. I do not care what your excuses are: Government conspiracies, "don't trust the science," blah blah blah, it's all BS to me. It is literally THE most effective tool we have and THE only thing which can actually stop this thing in any meaningful way. I don't care if you're black with a PhD and vote Republican or white high school drop out who votes Democratic; you NEED to get vaccinated. Period. End of story.

[Alben Barkley]

In addition to education, there's a strong generational divide: many anti-vax Republicans are Gen X, whereas this forum is almost entirely Millennial and Gen Z.

That's honestly surprising, I would've expected boomers to be the most anti-vax.

Gen X has consistently been the most disappointing generation. They seemed to start out with promise with Nirvana and such, but it's been all downhill for them since Kurt Cobain offed himself. Now they seem to be the most likely QAnoners, most likely anti-vaxxers, most likely conspiracy theorists period, most likely Trump voters... It's a mess. Why exactly they ended up even more f--ked up than the boomers remains something of a mystery, but my own theory is that thanks to  always being kinda ignored, they never quite got over the teenage instinct to "rebel," in whatever form that may take. So when "the man" is telling you to get vaxxed or whatever, you tell him to f--k off! I mean Krist Novoselic expressed support for Trump, so, even the surviving Nirvana members aren't immune from this phenomenon, sadly. What a waste of a generation.

[Badger]

In addition to education, there's a strong generational divide: many anti-vax Republicans are Gen X, whereas this forum is almost entirely Millennial and Gen Z.

That's honestly surprising, I would've expected boomers to be the most anti-vax.

Gen X has consistently been the most disappointing generation. They seemed to start out with promise with Nirvana and such, but it's been all downhill for them since Kurt Cobain offed himself. Now they seem to be the most likely QAnoners, most likely anti-vaxxers, most likely conspiracy theorists period, most likely Trump voters... It's a mess. Why exactly they ended up even more f--ked up than the boomers remains something of a mystery, but my own theory is that thanks to  always being kinda ignored, they never quite got over the teenage instinct to "rebel," in whatever form that may take. So when "the man" is telling you to get vaxxed or whatever, you tell him to f--k off! I mean Krist Novoselic expressed support for Trump, so, even the surviving Nirvana members aren't immune from this phenomenon, sadly. What a waste of a generation.

 I respectfully submit we are not as bad as the boomers. There are a lot of ignoramus in my age group to be sure, but considering that boomers started off as the peace in love generation and turned into pretty much a hot mess by a large,  I'm not too worried about genex by comparison.

That said, I am relying on millennials and is millennials and genzi types 2 save our asses