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« on: July 26, 2019, 09:06:58 PM »

Elections are held at close to the same time but in different Countries?
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2019, 12:23:03 PM »

Elections are held at close to the same time but in different Countries?

Not really although you do have regional impacts.  Latin America tends to often go in same direction while Europe usually trends in a common direction but always a few outliers.  In North America, more often than not Canada and the US go the opposite way at least since 2000 most of the time the party occupying the White house was philosophically opposite that of Canada.  GOP-Liberals 2000-2006 and 2016-present while Conservatives-Democrats 2009-2015, only 2006-2008 was it Conservatives/Republicans and only in 2000, 2015, and 2016 was it Democrats and Liberals. 

This year in Europe has been a mixed bag though.

Finland, Spain, Denmark (and likely Portugal this fall) this fall seem to have favoured the left, Greece has favoured the right (as well Austria likely this fall), while Belgium still undetermined.  While it seems social democratic parties have had a decent year in winning in Europe, they still are trailing badly in the polls in pretty much every country they are not in power.  Really Nordic Countries and Iberian Peninsula the only areas they are rebounding.

Asia is too diverse never mind a mix of democracies and dictatorships so no real correlation there.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 12:31:08 PM »

No, it always depends on the political situation in those countries ...

In 2017, Germany and Austria only voted a few weeks apart in major national elections but while in Germany the Grand Coalition got decimated and the Greens gained, in Austria the Center parties of the former Grand Coalition gained ground while the Greens got decimated.

On the other hand, turnout had a big uptick in both countries.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2019, 12:42:55 PM »

No. Assuming two nations politics will be correlated just because they are similar in tongue or calendar schedule is fallacious. What defines the 'left' and the 'right' is in no way similar across geographic localities, even within counties.

The only time when things can get correlated is because some large outside event effects the elections. For example, if there were two elections that occur this week in Europe, you would probably see Ecological parties do better even as the nations go their separate ways in other circumstances. This is of course because of the heat wave, an event that has nothing to do with Left or Right Politics, just the issue debate in the last week of the campaign would be the same.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2019, 01:01:38 PM »

No. Assuming two nations politics will be correlated just because they are similar in tongue or calendar schedule is fallacious. What defines the 'left' and the 'right' is in no way similar across geographic localities, even within counties.

The only time when things can get correlated is because some large outside event effects the elections. For example, if there were two elections that occur this week in Europe, you would probably see Ecological parties do better even as the nations go their separate ways in other circumstances. This is of course because of the heat wave, an event that has nothing to do with Left or Right Politics, just the issue debate in the last week of the campaign would be the same.

Other recent examples where Fukushima in 2011, after which Green parties all over Europe did well and elections after the immigrant invasion of 2015-16, after which nationalist parties did well.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2019, 01:46:26 PM »

In Canada, I would argue the opposite if anything happens.  Canadians tend to like the Democrats thus when a Democrat is in the White House, its business as usual.  However most Canadians loathe the GOP so when there is a Republican in the white house, it is an easy foil for the Liberals to attack the Tories.  The Liberals will claim if you vote Tory, you get the same policies you see in US.  Nevertheless a lot of left wing policies in the US do find their way northward.  The occupy wall street of the 99% vs. 1% played a big role in the last election where Trudeau promised to hike taxes on the top 1% and cut for middle class and had their been no occupy Wall Street, doubt that would have happened.  Likewise the fight for 15 has spread northward and most progressive parties tend to have making a $15/hour minimum wage part of platform.  Right off course is a bit more careful as copying GOP policies is what loses elections here.

Will be interesting though in Canada this fall as Andrew Scheer, the Conservative leader is on record of favouring Brexit and with UK scheduled to leave 10 days after Canada's vote, I wouldn't be surprised if other parties attack him on this even if unrelated.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2019, 01:52:20 PM »

I don't think the Green surge is purely, over even mostly down to the warm weather tbh, look at how badly they did in Sweden last year, even after a real hot summer in 2018. It's also down to the school strikes and they way (some) green parties have managed to position themselves as the principal progressive, internationalist, anti-far right force. And even then, try finding the Italian or Spanish Greens, you'll need a microscope - it's still a complex and localised process, where differet dynamics, that can throw up looking themes across borders.

I think, while you can identify some broad themes in election results, a lot of it is just lazy media framing trying to reduce things that are complicated to easy explanations. Case in point being the pre-EU election discourse around the far-right surge, which included an alleged surge in France; even while the RN were polling below what they had managed in 2014.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2019, 07:37:36 AM »

The swedish Greens might not have even crossed the threshold without the hot weather, though. Iirc that's what boosted their miserable polling numbers after a poor performance in government.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2019, 02:54:57 AM »

I mean, isn't the ultimate test of this the EU elections?
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