Gov. Polis gets chewed out by high school student

[Doimper]

I didn’t like the kid’s initial tone. I appreciate his arguments but he should’ve went in soft, needle Polis a bit with a few questions, and then escalate the situation depending on how strong or weak the Governor’s argument is.

You go after a weak politician like that. You can talk to Charlie Crist or Rubio or Beto in that tone, but Polis strikes me as a more serious politician who one could have a respectful dialogue.

But let’s be real, every Conservative under twenty right now wants to be Ben Shapiro.

god, imagine wanting to be Ben Shapiro

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

And under a national popular vote, they wouldn't.

[Progressive Pessimist]

It's more of a "gumming" than a "chewing."

[Nyvin]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

They wouldn't under either plan.

[Joe Republic]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

And under a national popular vote, they wouldn't.

^^^

This particular argument against abolishing the EC, i.e. "the election will just be decided by the most populous states!!  Rural votes won't count!!" is by far the most frustrating, simply in terms of how it bears zero relevance to the actual effect of abolishing the EC.

[Person Man]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

And under a national popular vote, they wouldn't.

^^^

This particular argument against abolishing the EC, i.e. "the election will just be decided by the most populous states!!  Rural votes won't count!!" is by far the most frustrating, simply in terms of how it bears zero relevance to the actual effect of abolishing the EC.

If you don’t want to be in a powerless area, move to a more populated one. If you can’t afford the area where you live, move to a cheaper one. I don’t know why people always just want to have new cake and eat it too. If you don’t have any neighbors, then you have to accept the risks of being isolated. If you want to live everything is, and you have to expect that things are going to be a little crowded. What the hell is wrong with him?

[Nyvin]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

And under a national popular vote, they wouldn't.

^^^

This particular argument against abolishing the EC, i.e. "the election will just be decided by the most populous states!!  Rural votes won't count!!" is by far the most frustrating, simply in terms of how it bears zero relevance to the actual effect of abolishing the EC.

If you don’t want to be in a powerless area, move to a more populated one. If you can’t afford the area where you live, move to a cheaper one. I don’t know why people always just want to have new cake and eat it too. If you don’t have any neighbors, then you have to accept the risks of being isolated. If you want to live everything is, and you have to expect that things are going to be a little crowded. What the hell is wrong with him?

That's not the point at all.   In a National Popular Vote system,  each vote would be identical in value regardless of where a person lives.   It would just go into a national tally for each candidate and one from any random area would be the same value as one in any other random area.   Making the argument of "My vote will be worth less under popular vote!" is nonsense.

The argument that can be made (kind of) is about where candidates campaign, but that has it's own weaknesses as far as points to be made against a popular vote system for president.

[Joe Republic]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

And under a national popular vote, they wouldn't.

^^^

This particular argument against abolishing the EC, i.e. "the election will just be decided by the most populous states!!  Rural votes won't count!!" is by far the most frustrating, simply in terms of how it bears zero relevance to the actual effect of abolishing the EC.

If you don’t want to be in a powerless area, move to a more populated one. If you can’t afford the area where you live, move to a cheaper one. I don’t know why people always just want to have new cake and eat it too. If you don’t have any neighbors, then you have to accept the risks of being isolated. If you want to live everything is, and you have to expect that things are going to be a little crowded. What the hell is wrong with him?

When it comes to NPV instead of the EC, there is no such thing as "powerless areas".

[7,052,770]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

I always ask this of Electoral College supporters and of course never get a response, but I'll try again --

If the Electoral College is so great, why don't you support electing governors and members of Congress by some kind of Electoral College? Or why not choose who wins each state's electoral votes by a smaller Electoral College? If popular votes inherent silence rural voices, why do you only care in the presidential election but no other?

[Person Man]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

And under a national popular vote, they wouldn't.

^^^

This particular argument against abolishing the EC, i.e. "the election will just be decided by the most populous states!!  Rural votes won't count!!" is by far the most frustrating, simply in terms of how it bears zero relevance to the actual effect of abolishing the EC.

If you don’t want to be in a powerless area, move to a more populated one. If you can’t afford the area where you live, move to a cheaper one. I don’t know why people always just want to have new cake and eat it too. If you don’t have any neighbors, then you have to accept the risks of being isolated. If you want to live everything is, and you have to expect that things are going to be a little crowded. What the hell is wrong with him?

When it comes to NPV instead of the EC, there is no such thing as "powerless areas".

Well, technically there are no “areas” in NPV.

[Badger]

I didn’t like the kid’s initial tone. I appreciate his arguments but he should’ve went in soft, needle Polis a bit with a few questions, and then escalate the situation depending on how strong or weak the Governor’s argument is.

You go after a weak politician like that. You can talk to Charlie Crist or Rubio or Beto in that tone, but Polis strikes me as a more serious politician who one could have a respectful dialogue.

But let’s be real, every Conservative under twenty right now wants to be Ben Shapiro.

Which is, Let's Be Frank here, the reason the few remaining conservatives under 20 are mostly dicks.

[lfromnj]

Polis still made an asshole move with the note for a teacher quip.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

I always ask this of Electoral College supporters and of course never get a response, but I'll try again --

If the Electoral College is so great, why don't you support electing governors and members of Congress by some kind of Electoral College? Or why not choose who wins each state's electoral votes by a smaller Electoral College? If popular votes inherent silence rural voices, why do you only care in the presidential election but no other?

Doing so is Constitutionally impermissible under Baker v. Carr and Reynolds v. Sims.

Georgia had a "county unit" system by which it elected its governors at one time.  It's goal was to depress the impact of Atlanta, which was nowhere near the big chunk of Georgia it is now.

I understand the reasoning for the EC.  My issue with the EC is that states could gerrymander the Presidency by deciding to choose electors by Congressional district which, as of now, would be a GOP gerrymander, and would be as anti-democratic as it gets.  And it's not just legislatures; PACs have tried to push such proposals in states such as California.  A system where the EC had winner-take-all for Republican states and proportional allocation or allocation by Congressional district for Democratic states is a system that would be rigged beyond decency.

[S019]

I didn’t like the kid’s initial tone. I appreciate his arguments but he should’ve went in soft, needle Polis a bit with a few questions, and then escalate the situation depending on how strong or weak the Governor’s argument is.

You go after a weak politician like that. You can talk to Charlie Crist or Rubio or Beto in that tone, but Polis strikes me as a more serious politician who one could have a respectful dialogue.

But let’s be real, every Conservative under twenty right now wants to be Ben Shapiro.

Which is, Let's Be Frank here, the reason the few remaining conservatives under 20 are mostly dicks.

This is offensive

[S019]

Polis is of course right: the EC needs to be killed as soon as possible.

A voter in SD should not be worth more than one in CA ...

Or maybe a voter in LA or NYC shouldn't could more than one in SD

I always ask this of Electoral College supporters and of course never get a response, but I'll try again --

If the Electoral College is so great, why don't you support electing governors and members of Congress by some kind of Electoral College? Or why not choose who wins each state's electoral votes by a smaller Electoral College? If popular votes inherent silence rural voices, why do you only care in the presidential election but no other?

I wouldn't mind electing by a county-by-county system, you do this would help Republicans in almost every state, right

[DrScholl]

Georgia used a county unit system for primary elections. Under that system counties classified as urban received far less than rural counties. Such a system used today would produce results with huge variances between the popular vote and an electoral college. Imagine if someone won 60% of the popular vote yet a electoral college system gave the win to the loser who got 40%.

[Person Man]

I didn’t like the kid’s initial tone. I appreciate his arguments but he should’ve went in soft, needle Polis a bit with a few questions, and then escalate the situation depending on how strong or weak the Governor’s argument is.

You go after a weak politician like that. You can talk to Charlie Crist or Rubio or Beto in that tone, but Polis strikes me as a more serious politician who one could have a respectful dialogue.

But let’s be real, every Conservative under twenty right now wants to be Ben Shapiro.

Which is, Let's Be Frank here, the reason the few remaining conservatives under 20 are mostly dicks.

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