Humanity is basically...

[Ban my account ffs!]

Ah yes, once again... post edited for pointing out people who get away with homophobic posts on the forum.  Maybe I should just point them out in my signature or something.

How is RFayette "better" than DC? How is TJ, an "optimist", exempt? What does this thread have to do with any of that?

So it was reported because I implied RFayette was better than other posters?  It was moderated because I didn't call TJ a homophobe?

It was an observation I had... that three of the posters in this thread that voted "evil" have a history of saying homophobic things on the forum.  And one gets his undies all in a bundle when you call him out for it.

So I like to call them out for it whenever and whereever I can.

The offense that they feel by me calling them homophobes is infinitesimally small compared to the offense and distress they cause me by their words, beliefs, and actions.

One of them was lamenting how awful it would be to be rejected by your family for being a Christian in another thread... oh the HORROR!  It's not like a particular group of people isn't used to being rejected by friends, family, Christianity, society for something they actually have no ability to change.

But please... carry on.  Edit my posts.  Delete them.  Consider the term "homophobe" excessive hyperbole if you would like. 

It continues the trend of the mod team not at all reflecting the demographics of the forum at large and that will only lead to more clashes.

RFayette is not a homophobe, and I certainly hope you never claimed such a thing.

Evil - mankind falters in the face of injustice, and there is not one whose motives and actions are constantly good, whose words and deeds are constantly for the benefit of others.

Nope.  I explicitly said he wasn't.

[Kingpoleon]

I read that you called him “better than other posters,” but I didn’t know if he was one of the “good homophobes” or something like that.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Apologies in advance for the wall of text.

Snowguy, I'll admit I was intentionally caustic in my previous reply. I'm sorry about acting that way over what is clearly an emotional issue. I had a whole thing written up regarding a variety of points made in this thread, and I can send it to you if you want, but I didn't want to turn this into either a full derailing of the thread (too late), or a convo where we send each other 9 paragraph messages the other doesn't really want to read. So in short, my actions and motivations were thus: I saw multiple posters had reported your comment labeling some posters homophobes. I consulted the moderators, and those that responded by the time I had acted made a distinction between political stances (such as opposition to gay marriage) and actual statements or character. The two phrases used were "personal attack" and "excessive hyperbole"; I opted to use the latter in categorizing your statement, but it could have easily been the former. The issue of whether opposition to gay marriage is in itself homophobic probably deserves its own thread, and given this controversy, it may deserve its own sort of discussion on the Atlas board. I myself would not be very offended in being called a homophobe, and I don't really intend to be seen as acting as some sort of Christian vanguard--my views on either issue can be obtained via PM if anyone wishes. Now I think there is room aside from these issues of whether "homophobe" itself is enough of an insult to warrant its being deleted--if I called someone a Putinbot, my comment might be wholly inaccurate, but I wouldn't regard it serious enough to be deleted--and I am attempting to get a better idea from other mods as to where the line is drawn.

I read that you called him “better than other posters,” but I didn’t know if he was one of the “good homophobes” or something like that.

It was simple exclusion of RFayette from a list.

[Ban my account ffs!]

There was that thread last summer.  And boy was it a dumpster fire.  One of the posters I called out in this thread really angered known homosexual Torie by arguing in a deceptively eloquent manner, that the supreme court decision that allowed same-sex marriage was a travesty because it opened the door to legal polygamy because being attracted to multiple people is a sexuality just like homosexuality!  Which apparently allowing interracial marriage did not do, so that was legit but SSM is not.  This was in the midst of a "how dare you!" accusing the LGBT community of minimizing anti-black racism by likening SSM to a civil right.

And in fact, the belief that same sex marriage would lead to legal polygamy was opined by another of the 3 posters that I accused in this thread.

Another poster who I bring up because he has reported me before for calling him a homophobe (and I was not infracted)... very recently equated a Christian school upholding Biblical principles and banning homosexuality and the advocacy thereof was simply like a school expelling a student for recruiting other students to Stormfront.

I remember one of the three posters I mentioned, before he realized he had to tone down his rhetoric, arguing that every time society accepts gays, it collapses.  I'm going to collapse his society, Cath.  Excuse my emotions... that's an awfully big responsibility and undertaking for me.

It is not only about political stances.  As a person who grew up in a Christian home and who is also gay and was constantly reminded what a mortal sin being gay was, every time I am thumped in the head by these people with their opinions and interpretations of the Bible... it opens old wounds. 

They do not simply oppose gay marriage.  They oppose gay sexuality in total.  One of the posters in this thread called homosexual relations "unacceptable" in one moral questionnaire thread on the forum.  No doubt he was wreckt by my accusation.

The arguments they make against homosexuality in general are from the same source that forms their opposition to SSM.  The fact that all of the gays in the "is SSM opposition homophobic?" thread said yes should be a good indicator.  After all, gay people are generally better at detecting homophobia than the homophobes who adamantly claim they are not homophobes.

I don't know which moderator thought that calling posters with a history of homophobic posts and sympathies was a personal attack... but they're wrong.

The mod team on Atlas greatly over represents straight, white men and ciswomen at the expense of the 2nd biggest group here which are gays and transwomen.  And increasingly, this shows. 

At the end of the day, this forum could be described as follows:

A forum of mostly teen boys and young men, a near plurality of whom are gay as well as an unusually high proportion of transwomen overseen by a former state representative who voted against legalizing same sex marriage and where calling someone out for homophobia is an infractable offense according to the largely straight, white, Christian male moderator team.

[Antonio the Sixth]

As someone who's been called a homophobe by Snowguy before and who generally thinks he's a rambling, pompous asshole, I'll defend his right to call posters homophobes. Homophobia is a defined attitude that real people display, so whether or not a given individual displays it or not is absolutely up for debate.

[Ban my account ffs!]

As someone who's been called a homophobe by Snowguy before and who generally thinks he's a rambling, pompous asshole, I'll defend his right to call posters homophobes. Homophobia is a defined attitude that real people display, so whether or not a given individual displays it or not is absolutely up for debate.

Aww thanks Tony. 

To be clear, if I ever thought you were being homophobic it was probably because I felt you were 1)  Lumping gay men in with all other men on a sexual issue or 2)  I perceived you to be minimizing some kind of hardship for the LGBT community in order to highlight the discrimination of another group.

Beyond that, which was really only 10% of it... the other 90% was I'm a rambling, pompous asshole and you're a man hating homophobe!   Not at all on the same level of what I'm speaking to in this thread.

So I will say it clearly:  Tony,  you are not a homophobe. 

[Antonio the Sixth]

2) Probably happened at some point or other. I'm guessing the issue was me arguing against people who completely demonize any opponent of SSM while being perfectly fine with conservative economic policies that leave people in misery (which I don't think is minimizing anything, but whatever). Anyway, if you want to put this issue behind us I'm more than happy to.

[Gustaf]

The forum mod team has decided that characterizing someone's political views in a way they disagree with is a personal attack if the mod team decides that the characterization is wrong and also not nice (or something, the last part of the definition is very fuzzy). This generally, shockingly, will coincide with the given moderator's own "neutral" view of the political position in question.

[RI]

Good. Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God. We are fallen, but still fundamentally good at our core. My experience in interacting with others has largely born this out: we may have a lot of baggage but somewhere deep down in everyone is a desire for the good, however submerged it might be.

^^^

[Antonio the Sixth]

The forum mod team has decided that characterizing someone's political views in a way they disagree with is a personal attack if the mod team decides that the characterization is wrong and also not nice (or something, the last part of the definition is very fuzzy). This generally, shockingly, will coincide with the given moderator's own "neutral" view of the political position in question.

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this is the dumbest f**king thing I have ever heard

Whoever came up with this is not fit to be a mod and should resign right now.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Evil

The reason I agree is this, when our First Parents (Adam and Eve) chose to not trust God and sinned, it brought death many sad things into the human experience. I also believe because we were created in the image of God, we have the potential for great good. That potential can only be truly unleashed by reconnecting to God through faith in Jesus.