Delaware Considers Decriminalizing Underage Drinking

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

There's no reason somebody should have a criminal record for having a few beers at the homecoming game. Presumably it'll still be illegal for people under 21 to buy alcohol for themselves, so it's not like this is the end of all sobriety and sanity.

Look at me, agreeing with the socialist.  Full-on agreement. Of course getting behind-the-wheel after said act is a totally different story.

[PSOL]

I feel like this would make drinking a lot less fun.

✅Develops a responsible drinking culture
✅Doesn't turn kids into criminals
✅Decreases drunkenness by removing the allure of the taboo

Thank you Delaware state government, you truly did good this time.

[Xing]

Making underage drinking less "fun" and "rebellious" sounds like a good idea to me.

[QAnonKelly]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Seems like a waste of resources to go after this in a criminal sense. Just sign them up for community service or something if they get busted doing it outside their houses (granted not driving).

[Continential]

There's no reason somebody should have a criminal record for having a few beers at the homecoming game. Presumably it'll still be illegal for people under 21 to buy alcohol for themselves, so it's not like this is the end of all sobriety and sanity.

[Badger]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun. Protectinv their kids.

Corrected to remove libertarian snark.

[dead0man]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun. Protectinv their kids.

Corrected to remove libertarian snark.

sure sure, moms keep thousands of kids alive every year, no doubt, and tens of thousands more out of the emergency room.  And they do it by killing fun, and at an ever increasing rate.  I think society over protects kids at the expense of kids having fun.  Especially the little ones.  8 yo are supposed to fall out of trees or try to sled down a hill that's too big.  Yeah, sometimes that's going to lead to scrapes and bruises, broken legs, the occasional concussion and the rare death...and that's ok.

[RINO Tom]

Anyone who has ever been to Europe knows that our attitudes toward the young and alcohol here are NOT the way to go about it.  This is a good first step.

[Badger]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun. Protectinv their kids.

Corrected to remove libertarian snark.

sure sure, moms keep thousands of kids alive every year, no doubt, and tens of thousands more out of the emergency room.  And they do it by killing fun, and at an ever increasing rate.  I think society over protects kids at the expense of kids having fun.  Especially the little ones.  8 yo are supposed to fall out of trees or try to sled down a hill that's too big.  Yeah, sometimes that's going to lead to scrapes and bruises, broken legs, the occasional concussion and the rare death...and that's ok.

That's.... Still the way it is.

But the biggest difference regarding the influence of MADD which you brought up, is having helped craft legislation which has dramatically reduced deaths - - including hundreds of thousands of children's deaths - - caused by DUIs.

Now, as a guy who spends a large part of his work defending people charged with DUI, yes, the laws become inexorably more onerous bordering on Overkill. However, the revolution in DUI laws that MADD spearheaded in the 70s and 80s or absolutely crucial and necessary. The law taking it seriously changed cultural perceptions about the propriety of drunk driving. Laws do that, you know.

And here, these kids lives were saved because they weren't allowed to climb a tree or take chances. It's because some other jackass was stopped or otherwise convinced by the potential penalties not to take their lives when the kids didn't have any damn say in the matter.

[darklordoftech]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

[Badger]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

Um, no? Most of them are they product of parents and siblings who lost someone to a drunk driver. But that's some really cool edge you got going there to denigrate people who want to channel their grief into something positive as mere helicopter parents.

[darklordoftech]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

Um, no? Most of them are they product of parents and siblings who lost someone to a drunk driver. But that's some really cool edge you got going there to denigrate people who want to channel their grief into something positive as mere helicopter parents.

I support strict enforcement and harsh punishments for drunk drivers. However, Clarence Busch was in his 40s when he drove drunk and killed Cari Lightner, not 18-20.

[Badger]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

Um, no? Most of them are they product of parents and siblings who lost someone to a drunk driver. But that's some really cool edge you got going there to denigrate people who want to channel their grief into something positive as mere helicopter parents.

I support strict enforcement and harsh punishments for drunk drivers. However, Clarence Busch was in his 40s when he drove drunk and killed Cari Lightner, not 18-20.

Sorry, I genuinely don't see the connection between your last two posts.

[darklordoftech]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

Um, no? Most of them are they product of parents and siblings who lost someone to a drunk driver. But that's some really cool edge you got going there to denigrate people who want to channel their grief into something positive as mere helicopter parents.

I support strict enforcement and harsh punishments for drunk drivers. However, Clarence Busch was in his 40s when he drove drunk and killed Cari Lightner, not 18-20.

Sorry, I genuinely don't see the connection between your last two posts.

The connection is that the drinking age, whether to punish the retailer or the underage drinker themselves, etc., were "off topic" for MADD's name and purpose and therefore MADD was wrong to get involved.

[Badger]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

Um, no? Most of them are they product of parents and siblings who lost someone to a drunk driver. But that's some really cool edge you got going there to denigrate people who want to channel their grief into something positive as mere helicopter parents.

I support strict enforcement and harsh punishments for drunk drivers. However, Clarence Busch was in his 40s when he drove drunk and killed Cari Lightner, not 18-20.

Sorry, I genuinely don't see the connection between your last two posts.

The connection is that the drinking age, whether to punish the retailer or the underage drinker themselves, etc., were "off topic" for MADD's name and purpose and therefore MADD was wrong to get involved.

Okay, I'm not sure I entirely disagree with that, as I do support this measure to decriminalize underage drinking.

However, I would respectfully submit that this hypothesis is far removed from your earlier crack chalking MADD up to being essentially helicopter parents.

[darklordoftech]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

Um, no? Most of them are they product of parents and siblings who lost someone to a drunk driver. But that's some really cool edge you got going there to denigrate people who want to channel their grief into something positive as mere helicopter parents.

I support strict enforcement and harsh punishments for drunk drivers. However, Clarence Busch was in his 40s when he drove drunk and killed Cari Lightner, not 18-20.

Sorry, I genuinely don't see the connection between your last two posts.

The connection is that the drinking age, whether to punish the retailer or the underage drinker themselves, etc., were "off topic" for MADD's name and purpose and therefore MADD was wrong to get involved.

Okay, I'm not sure I entirely disagree with that, as I do support this measure to decriminalize underage drinking.

However, I would respectfully submit that this hypothesis is far removed from your earlier crack chalking MADD up to being essentially helicopter parents.

Getting involved in the drinking age made them helicopter parents. MADD wouldn't be helicopter parents if they stuck to their mission.

[Badger]

The entire 21 thing is just because of The auto insurance lobby.

MADD had nothing to do with the auto insurance industry.

they probably got some funding from them (I have no idea), but you're right.  MADD is just moms doing what moms always do, ruining fun.

MADD isn't a product of greed or desiring power. Rather, they're a product of helicopter parents organizing. Helicopter parents are the parental equivalent of possesive boyfriends.

Um, no? Most of them are they product of parents and siblings who lost someone to a drunk driver. But that's some really cool edge you got going there to denigrate people who want to channel their grief into something positive as mere helicopter parents.

I support strict enforcement and harsh punishments for drunk drivers. However, Clarence Busch was in his 40s when he drove drunk and killed Cari Lightner, not 18-20.

Sorry, I genuinely don't see the connection between your last two posts.

The connection is that the drinking age, whether to punish the retailer or the underage drinker themselves, etc., were "off topic" for MADD's name and purpose and therefore MADD was wrong to get involved.

Okay, I'm not sure I entirely disagree with that, as I do support this measure to decriminalize underage drinking.

However, I would respectfully submit that this hypothesis is far removed from your earlier crack chalking MADD up to being essentially helicopter parents.

Getting involved in the drinking age made them helicopter parents. MADD wouldn't be helicopter parents if they stuck to their mission.

Okay, and there's the denigrating Edge that I'm talking about. No, driving the legal age to drink from 18 to 21 affected DUI fatalities and meanings significantly. Bully for anyone that can point out that, well, in Europe kids drink multiple beers in the morning by age 12 and they don't really have a problem with drinking, Etc. For whatever reasons, that's not the way it is in America. And cultural Traditions affecting this are myriad. More to the point, American teenagers drive a rate much much higher things Europeans.

Again, referring to people who have largely been impacted personally by the effects of drinking and driving, whether by peoples of legal drinking age or otherwise, as mere helicopter parents just because you can't drink at 18 is both inaccurate and, frankly, kind of sh**ty.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Seems like a waste of resources to go after this in a criminal sense. Just sign them up for community service or something if they get busted doing it outside their houses (granted not driving).