Steve Cohen (D-TN) Calls for a Military Coup

[PSOL]

On the subject of military I have always been curious; why hasn’t general Mattis put his foot down. I would assume the Ruskies couldn’t have gotten to him.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Russia is a more democratic country than the US. Look at the % of the vote Trump got vs the % of the vote Putin got. Clearly Russia's system reflects the people's will better.

By that logic Suddam Hussain's Iraq was more Democratic as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_presidential_referendum,_2002

and so was the Soviet Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1950



LOL at that logic

Vote rigging played a rather small role in Putin's victory though (he would have won easily even without the few governors in remote region trying to prove their loyalty to Putin) and the Russian presidential election probably was a bit more fair than whatever Stalin put up (not very hard though). The main problems with Russian 'democracy' are that the Russian media being extremely pro-Putin and the Kremlin secretly controlling most of the opposition anyway, but Putin is legitimately popular in Russia and he almost certainly won a huge majority. Freedom and democracy are usually associated with the extremely chaotic 90s in Russia, so sadly they're not really yearning for American-style liberal democracy yet. I hope the next generation will change things though.

Oh I agree the Russian Elections now are more fair than what they were during the Soviet Era but I used those example on purpose to disprove his logic.

[krazen1211]

According to polls, the majority of the US military supported President Trump in the 2016 election. A disproportionate share of the armed forces comes from the South, and not really from San Francisco.

When people like Cohen run around the country screaming about deplorables who do they think they are talking about? Hmm.

[Beet]

I always wondered by Democrats were so eager to call for completely illegal and ineffectual things like a military coup, invalidating the election, screaming at officials, and protesting, but were never willing to support perfectly legal mechanisms like gerrymandering the states under their control (CA, NY) or splitting up their own states for more Senate seats; not only were far more legitimate ways of fighting back, but far more likely to work. Then I realized it is the nature of the left to be self-destructive, and they bring this ethos not only to their politics but to their governance.

[Calthrina950]

According to polls, the majority of the US military supported President Trump in the 2016 election. A disproportionate share of the armed forces comes from the South, and not really from San Francisco.

When people like Cohen run around the country screaming about deplorables who do they think they are talking about? Hmm.

The military has been a solidly Republican demographic for decades, so I'm not sure how relevant that would be. As I stated above, Cohen's statements were over the line, but I don't think it serves any good purpose to aggravate the tensions already aroused.

[krazen1211]

I always wondered by Democrats were so eager to call for completely illegal and ineffectual things like a military coup, invalidating the election, screaming at officials, and protesting, but were never willing to support perfectly legal mechanisms like gerrymandering the states under their control (CA, NY) or splitting up their own states for more Senate seats; not only were far more legitimate ways of fighting back, but far more likely to work. Then I realized it is the nature of the left to be self-destructive, and they bring this ethos not only to their politics but to their governance.

They never would have been able to gerrymander New York.

At the time of the 2011 redistricting Charlie Rangel was demanding a certain district to protect him from a primary by a white or a Hispanic, and others were upset at the type of district that would be required to protect Rangel from a white or a Hispanic.

They would also have had many more problems if powerful Democrat Anthony Weiner had remained in office.

[RINO Tom]

According to polls, the majority of the US military supported President Trump in the 2016 election. A disproportionate share of the armed forces comes from the South, and not really from San Francisco.

When people like Cohen run around the country screaming about deplorables who do they think they are talking about? Hmm.

The military has been a solidly Republican demographic for decades centuries, so I'm not sure how relevant that would be. As I stated above, Cohen's statements were over the line, but I don't think it serves any good purpose to aggravate the tensions already aroused.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Russia is a more democratic country than the US. Look at the % of the vote Trump got vs the % of the vote Putin got. Clearly Russia's system reflects the people's will better.

By that logic Suddam Hussain's Iraq was more Democratic as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_presidential_referendum,_2002

and so was the Soviet Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_legislative_election,_1950



LOL at that logic

Vote rigging played a rather small role in Putin's victory though (he would have won easily even without the few governors in remote region trying to prove their loyalty to Putin) and the Russian presidential election probably was a bit more fair than whatever Stalin put up (not very hard though). The main problems with Russian 'democracy' are that the Russian media being extremely pro-Putin and the Kremlin secretly controlling most of the opposition anyway, but Putin is legitimately popular in Russia and he almost certainly won a huge majority. Freedom and democracy are usually associated with the extremely chaotic 90s in Russia, so sadly they're not really yearning for American-style liberal democracy yet. I hope the next generation will change things though.

Oh I agree the Russian Elections now are more fair than what they were during the Soviet Era but I used those example on purpose to disprove his logic.

I agree with you both, and I'd add to mvd10 that the other major problems with Russian "democracy" is that the ruling party is viciously putting false charges on any opposition figures which smells dangerous (Navalny, Pussy Riot who were recently arrested again). They're fine with puppets like Zhirovinsky, but when someone actually opposes them and gains even a bit of popularity, that's when they act swiftly to take them done. This is a measure used very often by classical authoritarian and anti-democratic regimes, and basically makes the election illegitimate. And of course, there's the issue of human rights abuses, including concentration camps for gay people in Chechnya (which is the equivalent of the U.S. President allowing the Governor of Alabama to put African Americans in concentration camps).

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Russia is a more democratic country than the US. Look at the % of the vote Trump got vs the % of the vote Putin got. Clearly Russia's system reflects the people's will better.

HillGoose gets a temp ban, and this guy can keep trolling in nearly every post.

There is clever humour and there is "stoopid" disruptive "humour". That is the difference.

[Progressive Pessimist]

That is going a bit too far. I would rather the military not be in charge of the country. But we are truly in uncharted waters that are testing our country in a way that indicates that it may very well be coming as close as it has ever been to being a failed state, at least by our standards.

[DINGO Joe]

Well, while I wouldn't encourage a military coup, it would be interesting to see if the Ruskies tried to intervene on Trump's side,