Don Lemon: Biggest Terror threat is White Men

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Including the pasty 100 pounders in Antifa, amirite?

[dead0man]

Racists gonna racist

I think Mr Lemon is more ignorant than racist.

[Badger]

It's not true. This oft-repeated claim is the product of misleading data.

https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/28/no-youre-not-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extremist-than-an-islamic-terrorist/

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So if I gather This brilliant analysis correctly, white right-wing men need to kill about 10 times as many people annually as American Muslims for about another 10 to 20 years before they're considered even equal in their threat, because of 911.

Got it. Truly compelling.

[Fuzzy Bear]

It's not true. This oft-repeated claim is the product of misleading data.

https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/28/no-youre-not-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extremist-than-an-islamic-terrorist/

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[Progressive Pessimist]

True, but he should know better than to feed into the RW persecution complex.

I don't think Don Lemon gives a f*** anymore. I kind of appreciate that. Especially in contrast to the consistent "both sides/false equivalency" perspective of the anchor that precedes him and his show- Chris Cuomo.

[Pyro]

It's not true. This oft-repeated claim is the product of misleading data.

https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/28/no-youre-not-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extremist-than-an-islamic-terrorist/

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Ah, yes. Let's post slanted, outdated articles to bolster our racist talking points, shall we?

The fact is, globally as well as in the U.S., right-wing violence is on a dramatic increase while "jihadi" terrorism has fallen dramatically (dropping nearly 40% in the Middle East over the past few years). A study from Quartz found that out of 65 terror-related incidents last year, 37 were inspired by explicit right-wing ideology. This is a surge, and the trend shows no sign of slowing - especially if Pittsburgh, Kentucky, and the Cesar Sayoc bombs are any indication.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This is a deeply weird argument and no one who so much as dips their toe in it comes out particularly well. I'm not sure if it particularly helps survivors or relatives of the victims of the Bataclan massacre that 'well, actually, if you measure things on a global scale then statistically Islamist terrorist attacks are less prevalent now', or if it is much use to survivors or relatives of the victims of the recent outrage in Pittsburgh to be informed that 'well, actually, Neo-Nazis account for only a relatively small proportion  of global terrorist atrocities'.

[HisGrace]

White supremacist and Muslim terrorists have killed pretty similar numbers of people in the United States since 9/1. And the last really large scale terrorist attack in the US prior to that was the Oklahoma City bombing which was perpetrated by a neo-nazi. Both should be taken seriously and not downplayed. Some people seem to be under the impression that you are more or less dead based on the ideology of the terrorist that kills you.

I also think it's impossible to deny that Lemon and the left in general are hypocritical on this. No one's allowed to single out black crime, even if it is statistically much more likely to occur, or Islamic terrorism, but when a big bad white male does something it magically becomes fine to make it all about his identity. Especially in situations like this when it's done in a way that's blatantly accusatory. He said not to demonize groups of people and then immediately afterward preceded to demonize a group of people. Like I said earlier, the lack of self awareness there is approaching alt-right levels.

[Lourdes]

bUt tHe mUsLiMz

[Gass3268]

Another White Male Terrorist Attack:

Tallahassee Yoga Shooter Was A Far-Right Misogynist Who Railed Against Women And Minorities Online

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[Hammy]

White supremacist and Muslim terrorists have killed pretty similar numbers of people in the United States since 9/1. And the last really large scale terrorist attack in the US prior to that was the Oklahoma City bombing which was perpetrated by a neo-nazi. Both should be taken seriously and not downplayed. Some people seem to be under the impression that you are more or less dead based on the ideology of the terrorist that kills you.

I also think it's impossible to deny that Lemon and the left in general are hypocritical on this. No one's allowed to single out black crime, even if it is statistically much more likely to occur, or Islamic terrorism, but when a big bad white male does something it magically becomes fine to make it all about his identity. Especially in situations like this when it's done in a way that's blatantly accusatory. He said not to demonize groups of people and then immediately afterward preceded to demonize a group of people. Like I said earlier, the lack of self awareness there is approaching alt-right levels.

To the bold: when we start seeing black crime where blackness is the motive, then you can make this point. The crimes being pointed to that are committed by white men, are because that plays into the motive--they attack people who aren't like them because of that.

And as far as singling out whites and not Muslims, keep in mind whites are the ones in power, and Muslim-based violence is over represented in media as it is, and uninvolved Muslims are more likely to suffer from the perception of Muslim-based violence than uninvolved white men are from the perception of white male-based violence.

And on that, it's intellectually dishonest to ignore this is only being brought up in response to the decades of demonizing non-white groups where violence is committed.

[HisGrace]

White supremacist and Muslim terrorists have killed pretty similar numbers of people in the United States since 9/1. And the last really large scale terrorist attack in the US prior to that was the Oklahoma City bombing which was perpetrated by a neo-nazi. Both should be taken seriously and not downplayed. Some people seem to be under the impression that you are more or less dead based on the ideology of the terrorist that kills you.

I also think it's impossible to deny that Lemon and the left in general are hypocritical on this. No one's allowed to single out black crime, even if it is statistically much more likely to occur, or Islamic terrorism, but when a big bad white male does something it magically becomes fine to make it all about his identity. Especially in situations like this when it's done in a way that's blatantly accusatory. He said not to demonize groups of people and then immediately afterward preceded to demonize a group of people. Like I said earlier, the lack of self awareness there is approaching alt-right levels.

To the bold: when we start seeing black crime where blackness is the motive, then you can make this point. The crimes being pointed to that are committed by white men, are because that plays into the motive--they attack people who aren't like them because of that.

And as far as singling out whites and not Muslims, keep in mind whites are the ones in power, and Muslim-based violence is over represented in media as it is, and uninvolved Muslims are more likely to suffer from the perception of Muslim-based violence than uninvolved white men are from the perception of white male-based violence.

And on that, it's intellectually dishonest to ignore this is only being brought up in response to the decades of demonizing non-white groups where violence is committed.

Well, we're drifting into the area that makes people uncomfortable, but even relative to low income/education white people you see more black crime. I think it's fair to say there are race specific issues, beyond a lack of economic/educational opportunity, that contribute to higher crime amongst certain ethnic groups. So it's not like it's an inherently unreasonable thing to talk about. Just like there are obviously issues specific to being a white male that contribute to their committing more mass shootings. The key to this is to bring it up as a social problem that needs to be identified and solved, not as just an excuse to bash groups of people. Which is the problem with Lemon's bit and so much of the rhetoric surrounding mass shootings right now, it's just an excuse to white male bash. Just like with the right most the time when they bring up black crime. Although in a lot of places I'd get bashed and called a racist simply for pointing out that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

"Proportionate" in terms of media coverage is a relative word. Attacks from Muslims may generate more coverage on average per attack, but, as has been pointed out earlier in the thread, attacks from Muslims have a lot of the time been larger scale and killed more people per attack, even if there are fewer attacks on average. So it's not surprising that they'd get more media coverage.

I think that this stuff is being done in "response" is a lot of the problem. There's a constant feedback loop right now where everyone's tribalism is just getting more intense as a reaction to the other side. We're headed for some ugly times if we can't figure out how to get out of it. Stuff like Lemon's segment in the OP isn't the least bit helpful, though.

[Associate Justice PiT]

It's not true. This oft-repeated claim is the product of misleading data.

https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/28/no-youre-not-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extremist-than-an-islamic-terrorist/

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     Leftists are so committed to proselytizing their ideological preconception that white men are a problem that they gleefully commit the base-rate fallacy and ignore the obvious fact that there are many more white men in this country than there are Muslims. Showing that more terrorist attacks are committed by right-wing white men than by Jihadists is nowhere close to sufficient to prove that the former group is more dangerous when the former group enormously outnumbers the latter group.

[All Along The Watchtower]

I mean within the US domestically as of right now sure I guess but like Al said...not a good line of thinking, just in general.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

PiT is right on point. Sorry guys...but you gotta tone down on the whole demonization of White Men thing. It's not helping your side!

[All Along The Watchtower]

PiT is right on point. Sorry guys...but you gotta tone down on the whole demonization of White Men thing. It's not helping your side!

And you* gotta tone down the whole demonization of basically everyone else. It's not helping your side!


_{You* being plural.}

[Bojack Horseman]

Statistically yes. It was two "Republican Patriots" who would have been members of the Tea Party if the one hadn't been executed who committed this atrocity:



The only thing that's changed about the far right since 4/19/1995 is their ability to reach, recruit, and radicalize their new followers using the internet. Combine this with the fact that they're all armed to the teeth, it's no surprise that you're far more likely to be killed by a far-right patriot than you are by the stereotypical wild-eyed Arab.

The Angry White Man who makes up most of Trump's base and also the dangerous far right is one of the few stereotypes that are actually true. More and more white men feel that Blacks deserve to be murdered by police, that feminism is a threat to their status as #1 on the totem pole, and that diversity is code for white genocide. Combine this with universal access to firearms, what surprise is it that angry people who are armed are going to take out their anger with violence?