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« on: June 21, 2018, 03:43:56 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2018, 04:02:40 PM »
Yes, absolutely.
Can't help but wonder why it was erected in the first place.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2018, 04:19:05 PM »
Quote from: MarkD on June 21, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
Yes, absolutely.
Can't help but wonder why it was erected in the first place.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2018, 04:50:44 PM »
Quote from: Michael Bloomberg on June 21, 2018, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: MarkD on June 21, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
Yes, absolutely.
Can't help but wonder why it was erected in the first place.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2018, 04:56:42 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2018, 05:07:21 PM »
It wasn't erected in Seattle. It was in the Soviet Union and moved there after it fell by some guy who bought it because he thought it was a piece of history worth preserving, aka same argument for keeping Confederate leaders statues.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2018, 05:11:30 PM »
Quote from: Party Like It's 2006 on June 21, 2018, 05:07:21 PM
It wasn't erected in Seattle. It was in the Soviet Union and moved there after it fell by some guy who bought it because he thought it was a piece of history worth preserving, aka same argument for keeping Confederate leaders statues.

Weird question, but would you happen to know if the statue lacks a finger?
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2018, 05:21:11 PM »
The statue was actually created as a subtle critique of Lenin and communist tyranny in general. The man who was commissioned to make it by the Communist Party of Bulgaria designed it to potray Lenin as a violent revolutionary as opposed to as a philosopher, as he was typically potrayed in communist art. Considering its historic, artistic, and cultural significance, I think it would be a mistake to tear it down. There should probably be a plaque or something next to it explaining the history of the statue and how it got there, along with the atrocities committed by Lenin as to give historical context, assuming there isn't already.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2018, 05:53:02 PM »
« Edited: June 21, 2018, 06:41:43 PM by dead0man »
Quote from: Party Like It's 2006 on June 21, 2018, 05:07:21 PM
It wasn't erected in Seattle. It was in the Soviet Union and moved there after it fell by some guy who bought it because he thought it was a piece of history worth preserving, aka same argument for keeping Confederate leaders statues.
so it's on private property?  If it is, then nothing should be done about it as we live in a free country.  If it's on city/county/state/fed property then it's a problem.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2018, 06:31:22 PM »
Quote from: SWE on June 21, 2018, 05:21:11 PM
The statue was actually created as a subtle critique of Lenin and communist tyranny in general. The man who was commissioned to make it by the Communist Party of Bulgaria designed it to potray Lenin as a violent revolutionary as opposed to as a philosopher, as he was typically potrayed in communist art. Considering its historic, artistic, and cultural significance, I think it would be a mistake to tear it down. There should probably be a plaque or something next to it explaining the history of the statue and how it got there, along with the atrocities committed by Lenin as to give historical context, assuming there isn't already.

this is a great and thoughtful post and I agree with it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2018, 06:50:17 PM »
yeah i'd leave it alone
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 06:54:53 PM »
Quote from: dead0man on June 21, 2018, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Party Like It's 2006 on June 21, 2018, 05:07:21 PM
It wasn't erected in Seattle. It was in the Soviet Union and moved there after it fell by some guy who bought it because he thought it was a piece of history worth preserving, aka same argument for keeping Confederate leaders statues.
so it's on private property?  If it is, then nothing should be done about it as we live in a free country.  If it's on city/county/state/fed property then it's a problem.

Agreed.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2018, 07:34:06 PM »
and it is on private property so it should stay, just like all the Confederate statues on private property.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2018, 08:20:35 PM »
« Edited: June 21, 2018, 08:28:10 PM by MB »
Of course not. It's not much of a tribute to the man himself so much as a cultural landmark – it's an integral part of the Fremont neighborhood. SWE's comment is also very much true.

I'm not one for tearing down statues, this included. Must add on it's not owned by the city or anything, some guy decided to put it up.
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2018, 08:30:09 PM »
On the one hand, we have the mistakes and crimes of genocide, democratic centralism, vanguardism, atheism, and subversiveness. On the other hand, Communist propaganda is cool. So, yeah, let's keep it.
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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 09:04:57 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 09:08:04 PM »
I can assure you it definitely wasn't as a tribute to communism.
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2018, 10:58:28 PM »
Oh, if it's on private property it should be the owner's choice whether it is taken down.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2018, 11:27:49 PM »
The point of the statue is for it to be a "victory trophy" of the Cold War by turning Lenin into a commercial object. Don't they do silly things like put him in women's clothes sometimes? The point is to make fun of him. I love mocking soviet kitsch.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2018, 12:28:53 AM »
Quote from: HisGrace on June 21, 2018, 11:27:49 PM
The point of the statue is for it to be a "victory trophy" of the Cold War by turning Lenin into a commercial object. Don't they do silly things like put him in women's clothes sometimes? The point is to make fun of him. I love mocking soviet kitsch.
Yep. It's also fairly common practice to paint the statue's hands red, to indicate the bloodon his hands.
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2018, 05:22:36 AM »
Quote from: Cath on June 21, 2018, 08:30:09 PM
On the one hand, we have the mistakes and crimes of genocide, democratic centralism, vanguardism, atheism, and subversiveness. On the other hand, Communist propaganda is cool. So, yeah, let's keep it.

This.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2018, 05:54:36 AM »
Wait, there is one? Surprised to hear this. Of course it should be taken down, he has been a brutal dictator.
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