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  Which wing of the GOP do I belong to?
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Globalist RINOs
 
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Trumpists/Deplorables
 
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Those aren't actually the wings of the GOP
 
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TJ in Oregon
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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2018, 12:49:00 AM »

-I hate all identity politics and mentions of race/gender/nationality in any context
Wait what does this even mean? Honest question, especially since:

-Secularism is the biggest threat facing America today, and the GOP needs to drop anti-immigration rhetoric to win over Christian Hispanics and double down on social issues to win Black Evangelicals.

Though I actually agree with you here:
-I support TPP and NAFTA and think economic nationalism is stupid
Which doesn't seem to be a very popular opinion in either the Republican nor Democratic party (at least the Sanders wing) as of late, unfortunately...

I actually wish I had put those two (the first two you mentioned) side-by-side.  I believe that race should be completely irrelevant to the political divide.  It is the fault of both parties that it is (and largely stems from neither side being willing to JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT RACE AND SEX).  The political divide should be people who live traditional, moral, and religious lives with family values against those who do not.  We should be getting 90% of the vote in Mississippi, not just 90% of the white vote.  Likewise, we shouldn't be dominant in the Mountain West, which isn't that religious or socially conservative and we should be obliterated in somewhere like New Hampshire.  We could offset that with somewhere like New Mexico probably being Safe R.

Black voters are overwhelmingly progressive on economic issues based on the polling data.  Why do you think that a full-fledged economically conservative (even moreso than now) party would do a better job appealing to blacks?  Yes, Trump has enflamed tensions, but George W Bush, who ran a very inoffensive campaign, still only got about the same percentage of the black vote in 2000 as Trump got in 2016.

Honestly, a lot of the time, political policy positions are downstream from party for all but the very most politically informed people (maybe 5% of the population).  So, I do think that we can expand the party demographically by appealing to the strong family values that most black evangelicals in the rural South have.

You will achieve some results simply if you try (which the current GOP doesn't do) but to really make inroads in a group you will have to actually address the main reasons why they don't vote for you in some way. And in this case a non-negligible amount of it comes down to racial perceptions (BLM, unequal law enforcement, etc.) and government services. It's less about convincing the political super-informed but convincing ordinary people that you will actually represent their interests to a degree that they should vote for you.
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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2018, 01:53:39 AM »

-I hate all identity politics and mentions of race/gender/nationality in any context
Wait what does this even mean? Honest question, especially since:

-Secularism is the biggest threat facing America today, and the GOP needs to drop anti-immigration rhetoric to win over Christian Hispanics and double down on social issues to win Black Evangelicals.

Though I actually agree with you here:
-I support TPP and NAFTA and think economic nationalism is stupid
Which doesn't seem to be a very popular opinion in either the Republican nor Democratic party (at least the Sanders wing) as of late, unfortunately...

I actually wish I had put those two (the first two you mentioned) side-by-side.  I believe that race should be completely irrelevant to the political divide.  It is the fault of both parties that it is (and largely stems from neither side being willing to JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT RACE AND SEX).  The political divide should be people who live traditional, moral, and religious lives with family values against those who do not.  We should be getting 90% of the vote in Mississippi, not just 90% of the white vote.  Likewise, we shouldn't be dominant in the Mountain West, which isn't that religious or socially conservative and we should be obliterated in somewhere like New Hampshire.  We could offset that with somewhere like New Mexico probably being Safe R.
We tried that whole "ignore racism and it'll go away" thing when America fancied itself "post-racial" circa 2008 but we saw how that turned out...

The vast majority of people who belong to minority groups, whether they be racial or gender minorities, don't have the luxury of being able to not care about their being minorities. Not acknowledging that is why Republicans will not make major inroads with minority voters in the future if they continue to be the party they currently are.
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