Have you ever relapsed while fighting an addiction?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Oh no, I totally hope they break up. The relationships toxic because she's only 18 and doesn't want to get clean; ie, exactly what he was three years ago when he was 18.

No, because I’m 22 and don’t think my addictions are addictions yet. But I watched someone I love relapse on heroin every six weeks for the entirety of 2018 so I certainly understand.

Your brother, right? How's he doing?

Very good, actually. He’s been clean all year, he’s working non-stop, he already has bought his car back from my dad and just last week got his own place with no financial assistance. He’s on seboxin (I think I misspelt that) and it’s really holding off the cravings. I’m wondering why this wasn’t tried years ago honestly.

The only problem is his girlfriend is also getting out of rehab soon and we don’t know if she’s gonna drag him down or if he’s gonna pull her up.

Hopefully they break up.

I hate to be cruel, but there's something to this. Sobriety requires some time alone. There's a reason addiction counselors caution people fresh in their sobriety from getting involved in a relationship. The fact that his girlfriend is getting an addiction truly means, just as you said Sanchez, that they're going to sink or swim together. Sadly, for reasons I'm not quite aware of, it seems couples are more likely to drag each other down than to succeed together compared to individuals.

Just my two cents here. Suboxone is basically heroin light. I won't argue with success cuz if it's keeping him clean, then by God don't mess with it. However, Vivitrol is amazing and does not keep someone relatively High. Your brother probably doesn't believe Suboxone keep some high because compared to heroin it doesn't, but in the grand scheme of things it does which is why Suboxone is widely dealt illegally. But again, I won't argue with success. Just a suggestion for a suggestion to him when he's ready.

I'll keep that in mind, thanks man!

[Badger]

Oh no, I totally hope they break up. The relationships toxic because she's only 18 and doesn't want to get clean; ie, exactly what he was three years ago when he was 18.

No, because I’m 22 and don’t think my addictions are addictions yet. But I watched someone I love relapse on heroin every six weeks for the entirety of 2018 so I certainly understand.

Your brother, right? How's he doing?

Very good, actually. He’s been clean all year, he’s working non-stop, he already has bought his car back from my dad and just last week got his own place with no financial assistance. He’s on seboxin (I think I misspelt that) and it’s really holding off the cravings. I’m wondering why this wasn’t tried years ago honestly.

The only problem is his girlfriend is also getting out of rehab soon and we don’t know if she’s gonna drag him down or if he’s gonna pull her up.

Hopefully they break up.

I hate to be cruel, but there's something to this. Sobriety requires some time alone. There's a reason addiction counselors caution people fresh in their sobriety from getting involved in a relationship. The fact that his girlfriend is getting an addiction truly means, just as you said Sanchez, that they're going to sink or swim together. Sadly, for reasons I'm not quite aware of, it seems couples are more likely to drag each other down than to succeed together compared to individuals.

Just my two cents here. Suboxone is basically heroin light. I won't argue with success cuz if it's keeping him clean, then by God don't mess with it. However, Vivitrol is amazing and does not keep someone relatively High. Your brother probably doesn't believe Suboxone keep some high because compared to heroin it doesn't, but in the grand scheme of things it does which is why Suboxone is widely dealt illegally. But again, I won't argue with success. Just a suggestion for a suggestion to him when he's ready.

I'll keep that in mind, thanks man!

Anytime. And I mean that.

Fwiw, you are absolutely right about his girlfriend. If she doesn't want to get clean and they stay together, his odds of seriously relapsing are literally around 99%. Obviously he has to make his own choice, and I am not suggesting some wacky romantic comedy hijinx to break them up, but whatever influence your relationship and love for your brother, along with others in your family who feel the same way - - I suspect most if not all of them - - need to encourage him strongly to not touch her with a ten-foot pole. Maybe selling it to him is at least wait until she's ready to get clean herself? Talking about it as a likelihood even if you all know it's not realistic? If that can be accomplished, then hopefully time, distance, and sobriety will do the rest.

Forgive me if I'm sounding like a know-it-all and butting into your family's very personal affairs. Just like I said I deal with opioid addicts on literally a daily basis, have been around the block many many times on the issues of relapse, and really don't want to see it happen to anyone. I'm no drug counselor, but I know enough from 25 years on both sides of criminal practice to know the mechanics of addiction and relapse pretty darn well. Fuzzy probably could add in some more authoritative words from his professional background here.

Regardless, best of luck and prayers for you, your brother, and your whole family.

[junior chįmp]

Relapsing is no big deal. Dont give your actions any meaning and move on quick from them. Eventually the time between relapses becomes longer and longer

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So....my brother relapsed today on crack and Xanax and assaulted my mom, her friend, and the officer who responded. The charge is only misdemeanor but I’m enraged. He should face charges for spitting on the cop. God knows he’d been body slammed had he been black. This is ridiculous.

But I appreciate the kind words and advice, Badger. You are a great guy, all Trump things aside

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

So....my brother relapsed today on crack and Xanax and assaulted my mom, her friend, and the officer who responded. The charge is only misdemeanor but I’m enraged. He should face charges for spitting on the cop. God knows he’d been body slammed had he been black. This is ridiculous.

But I appreciate the kind words and advice, Badger. You are a great guy, all Trump things aside

You should have beaten his @$$ if he so much as backhanded your mom.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So....my brother relapsed today on crack and Xanax and assaulted my mom, her friend, and the officer who responded. The charge is only misdemeanor but I’m enraged. He should face charges for spitting on the cop. God knows he’d been body slammed had he been black. This is ridiculous.

But I appreciate the kind words and advice, Badger. You are a great guy, all Trump things aside

You should have beaten his @$$ if he so much as backhanded your mom.

I’m seven hours away. I can’t do anything. My fear currently is that he makes the trek to Tallahassee. I’m not helping this time. I did that last November and I’m still mentally recovering.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

So....my brother relapsed today on crack and Xanax and assaulted my mom, her friend, and the officer who responded. The charge is only misdemeanor but I’m enraged. He should face charges for spitting on the cop. God knows he’d been body slammed had he been black. This is ridiculous.

But I appreciate the kind words and advice, Badger. You are a great guy, all Trump things aside

You should have beaten his @$$ if he so much as backhanded your mom.

I’m seven hours away. I can’t do anything. My fear currently is that he makes the trek to Tallahassee. I’m not helping this time. I did that last November and I’m still mentally recovering.

Yall should just disown him and throw him out of yall’s life

[TPIG]

Personally, no. However, I grew up in a household with an alcoholic father, who for the longest time, I completely refused to think had a problem. Once my parents got divorced and my father was on his own, he would go through bouts of sobriety that would lead to stable employment and living. Then, the newfound income he had would eventually lead to him taking up drinking again, he'd lose his job, his place to live, and would drift in and out of shelters. Currently, he's sober living at a long term treatment facility.

Watching him become sober to then only relapse and fall back into desperation is one of the most torturous things in my life. I pray that his current situation at the treatment facility will finally bring about a permanent change.

[fhtagn]

Unfortunately yes, and it's terrible.

[Badger]

So....my brother relapsed today on crack and Xanax and assaulted my mom, her friend, and the officer who responded. The charge is only misdemeanor but I’m enraged. He should face charges for spitting on the cop. God knows he’d been body slammed had he been black. This is ridiculous.

But I appreciate the kind words and advice, Badger. You are a great guy, all Trump things aside

Christ. So sorry man. Let me know if you need a referral for a good attorney down that way. I'm hooked into the Ohio criminal defense lawyers association weblist, and I'm amazed as to how many referrals for Good attorneys this network provides. I'm talking about at the level of someone inquiring for a good divorce attorney in Rapid City South Dakota. So I'm sure I can help you get someone in South Florida within 24 hours oh, possibly tonight. Just say the word

I know you were angry at your brother right now, and frankly with more than a little justification. However, it's important to decide whether or not him being thrown to the Tender Mercies of the judicial system is the best way to get him back on track.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     It's extremely tame compared to some of the things other people deal with (which makes me not want to even mention it), but I have been struggling with my addiction to food for a long time, and I had gotten to a point a year ago where I really had it under control.