Bannon - Populism is the future, 2020 will show if it will be Left or Right Wing

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What Bannon feels is relevant is "economic nationalism" wherein American citizens are prioritized above everyone else. "The only question before us: Is it going to be a left-wing populism or a right-wing populism," Bannon says. "And that is the question that will be answered in 2020." "Here's the problem of the Democratic Party…" he tells Rose. "There's no Breitbart. The problem in the Democratic Party? They haven't had a civil war." Until the Democratic Party comes to terms with its own discord, Bannon says, "they'll never be competitive." "They have the same problem with their establishment we have with ours."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-more-from-60-minutes/


"Hillary Clinton's not very bright," Bannon told Charlie Rose during an interview for CBS' "60 Minutes," though his comments were not aired Sunday as part of the program. Pundits thought Clinton was "so much smarter than Donald Trump" but she didn't "really have a grasp" on the importance of populism in American politics to her electoral detriment, Bannon said. "She doesn't have a grasp on what's important and what's not, and that's essential in a leader," he added.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steve-bannon-hillary-clintons-not-very-bright-for-ignoring-populism-in-american-politics/article/2633975


What built America’s called the American system, from Hamilton to Polk to Henry Clay to Lincoln to the Roosevelts. A system of protection of our manufacturing, financial system that lends to manufacturers, and the control of our borders. Economic nationalism is what this country was built on. We go back to that. We look after our citizen, we look after our manufacturing base, and guess what? This country’s going to be greater, more united, more powerful than it’s ever been. And by the way, that’s every nationality, every race, every religion, every sexual preference. As long as you’re an American citizen you’re part of this populous economic nationalist movement.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/10/steve-bannon-citizens-backgrounds-part-nationalist-populist-movement/


A large part of what Bannon says maybe hate filled , but he does understand that people are motivated by self-interests at a time of tremendous economic insecurity, stagnant growth, & high economic inequality. He is cleverly playing on those insecurities to build a coalition. Economic conservatism or centrism has limited appeal now but left wing economic policies are largely popular.

Trump destroyed GOP opponents with Left Wing ideas - No Cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid, Infra investment, No Free Trade Trade, no stupid wars, take on Pharma/Wall Street, opposed lobbyists & large campaign donations & called George Bush an intentional fraud/liar for the Iraq War who should be impeached. He mixed that with anti-immigration rhetoric & even sexist & racist comments at times to appeal to the GOP base & moved right on abortion to please evangelicals.

He has governed not in line with many of his economic promises but it looks that there is a growing demand for economic populism, left or right wing. Will it be a big thing in 2020 again?

[Famous Mortimer]

Nothing Bannon said was hate filled.

The idea that a government should prioritize its own citizens over foreigners is not hateful.

That's literally how governments have always operated.

[Coraxion]

I'd rather the Dems lose elections than succumb to populist idiocy.

[pbrower2a]

Nothing Bannon said was hate filled.

The idea that a government should prioritize its own citizens over foreigners is not hateful.

That's literally how governments have always operated.

Humanism is the sane ideology. Populism often degenerates into an us-versus-them struggle... as in poor WASPs against "papists" up to about a hundred years ago, often with vile results. A populism that recognizes the validity of all human claims to dignity is humanism -- in essence,

Alle Menschen werden Brüder

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He has governed not in line with many of his economic promises but it looks that there is a growing demand for economic populism, left or right wing. Will it be a big thing in 2020 again? [/i]

Americans turn to populists sometimes when the economy is really bad, but not always. Pat Toomey and Scott Walker aren't populists yet they've won statewide in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

If the economy is stable in 2020 then populism will not be a driving force in the election. I do think Trump or Pence will incorporate the more protectionist and industrial message into the GOP platform as a way of really doubling down on the Midwest. But the economy has to really be in the sh*ter for left wing populism to somehow win with this Reaganite electorate.

Remember that even FDR ran on a balanced budget platform and against government spending in 1932.

FDR didn't run against government spending. You should go read his platform. It was a populist campaign but he blasted Hoover for deficits, which is Politics 101 (Who wouldn't criticize his opponent for high deficits). Populism is not just Government spending or the lack of it. Populism is governance for the ordinary person & championing such policies. Populism = Democratic Party historically with FDR, LBJ, Truman & is the identity of Democrats.

I'd rather the Dems lose elections than succumb to populist idiocy.

Populism, by definition, means a concern for the ordinary folks. Political parties in general MUST be populist, if you go by definition. It is sad how the word populism has changed in a way & is now used increasingly to mean something very different from the meaning of the word

[PragmaticPopulist]

I think he's right, in a way. I'm not convinced that economic populism was the primary driving force for support for Trump though. I think it was mainly white identity politics. Combine that with a Democratic opponent (Hillary, in this case) who mainly ran on the third-way platform that nearly every Democrat runs on now, and identity politics wins. It's similar to how the 2000 election played out: Bush used southern identity politics while Gore was running as a continuation of Bill Clinton, except without the good-ole boy charisma.

[RINO Tom]

I'd rather the Dems lose elections than succumb to populist idiocy.

Too late, they did that 189 years ago.

[Santander]

He is right about everything.

[Bojack Horseman]

Sorry but the #F**kingWall isn't getting built, his approval numbers aren't going up, and 2020 will be a landslide but not in his favor.

[Yank2133]

I think he's right, in a way. I'm not convinced that economic populism was the primary driving force for support for Trump though. I think it was mainly white identity politics. Combine that with a Democratic opponent (Hillary, in this case) who mainly ran on the third-way platform that nearly every Democrat runs on now, and identity politics wins. It's similar to how the 2000 election played out: Bush used southern identity politics while Gore was running as a continuation of Bill Clinton, except without the good-ole boy charisma.

Some lefties are still trying to sell the bull**** narrative that this election was about economic populism. Trump won because of immigration and white grievance.

Also Clinton didn't run like a third-way Democrat. Anyone who says that has no clue what they are talking about.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Uncle Grumps told you the Bannon hero worship tour had just begun here. 

[Santander]

Uncle Grumps told you the Bannon hero worship tour had just begun here. 

I've always worshiped Bannon.

[Yank2133]

Uncle Grumps told you the Bannon hero worship tour had just begun here.  

You won't see me praising him.

It is funny, for all the talk about how much Bannon hates Ryan. They are actually pretty similar. Two propped up pseudo intellectuals who got played by Trump.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Uncle Grumps told you the Bannon hero worship tour had just begun here. 

I've always worshiped Bannon.

I wasn't referring to you specifically.  Mostly the Atlas antifa

[Roronoa D. Law]

I still don't think a Sanders type candidate will win the primary and populism will never take over the Democrat Party. I think its mostly white millennials who believe this agenda can win because they don't remember McGovern or why the civil rights movement came to an end. Coming from the black community many of us believe King was assassinated because the moment he started talking about equal economic output for blacks was the moment he would be killed. Bannon is just saying crazy things to stay relevant.

[Coraxion]

I'd rather the Dems lose elections than succumb to populist idiocy.

Too late, they did that 189 years ago.

Modern populism has more to do with distrust of institutions than it has to do with not telling poor people to go to hell.

[Famous Mortimer]

I think he's right, in a way. I'm not convinced that economic populism was the primary driving force for support for Trump though. I think it was mainly white identity politics. Combine that with a Democratic opponent (Hillary, in this case) who mainly ran on the third-way platform that nearly every Democrat runs on now, and identity politics wins. It's similar to how the 2000 election played out: Bush used southern identity politics while Gore was running as a continuation of Bill Clinton, except without the good-ole boy charisma.

Some lefties are still trying to sell the bull**** narrative that this election was about economic populism. Trump won because of immigration and white grievance.

Also Clinton didn't run like a third-way Democrat. Anyone who says that has no clue what they are talking about.

"Economic populism" and "immigration and white grievance" are the same damn thing.

People don't dislike immigrants because of the color of their skin, they dislike immigrants because they are disproportionately poor and their presence makes the country poorer per capita.

[GoTfan]

I'd rather the Dems lose elections than succumb to populist idiocy.

"We'd rather lose with a Third Wayer than win with an actual left-winger"

[Cashew]

You were warned Trump would be a disastrous investment, and now right wing populism will be discredited for several more decades. Are you proud of yourselves now?

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

"Economic populism" and "immigration and white grievance" are the same damn thing.

Wut? That's news to me. And Bernie Sanders. And Martin Luther King Jr. And to a lot of other people.

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So are you saying that anti-immigrant racism and xenophobia don't exist?

[TheSaint250]

So are you saying that anti-immigrant racism and xenophobia don't exist?

It certainly exists.  I think his/her point was that a lot of voters who favor lowering immigration levels don't do it based on race. Many do it because they think immigrants of all races take jobs that belong to Americans, even if they're wrong in that belief.

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

So are you saying that anti-immigrant racism and xenophobia don't exist?

It certainly exists.  I think his/her point was that a lot of voters who favor lowering immigration levels don't do it based on race. Many do it because they think immigrants of all races take jobs that belong to Americans, even if they're wrong in that belief.

That's certainly a commonly held belief, but it's also invariably tainted by racial biases, e.g. "Mexicans are lazy and undeserving." It's not one or the other necessarily.

[TheSaint250]

Populism is overrated. Technocratic centrism is the future of the Democratic Party. Most economic populism is just Ku Klux Klanism masquerading itself in the GOP anyhow.

Tim, Tim, Tim. Clearly libertarianism is the future.

[TheSaint250]

Populism is overrated. Technocratic centrism is the future of the Democratic Party. Most economic populism is just Ku Klux Klanism masquerading itself in the GOP anyhow.

Tim, Tim, Tim. Clearly libertarianism is the future.

True dat Gary. Libertarian technocratic centrist Democrats vs populist WWC nationalist racist GOP is the future of America.

LIBERTARIAN DEMOCRATS

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

So are you saying that anti-immigrant racism and xenophobia don't exist?

It certainly exists.  I think his/her point was that a lot of voters who favor lowering immigration levels don't do it based on race. Many do it because they think immigrants of all races take jobs that belong to Americans, even if they're wrong in that belief.

That's certainly a commonly held belief, but it's also invariably tainted by racial biases, e.g. "Mexicans are lazy and undeserving." It's not one or the other necessarily.

What is frustrating to American citizens of all races is the degree to which illegal immigrants don't just "take jobs" from American workers, they replace American jobs with illegal, off-the-books jobs with no Workers Comp.  When an undocumented alien falls of a roof on a construction job, there's no Workers Comp paying the bill; it drains the resources for indigent medical care.  And, yes, these folks should be cared for, but it's wrong that the situation plays out in this fashion.

That's not the fault of the immigrants; such illicit employers hire legal immigrants and even American citizens that need the job badly enough.  The employers should be punished, criminally, if necessary.  But the porousness of the border is what makes this possible.