Pelosi is useless, but shouldn't Hoyer & Clyburn be replaced too?

[Blair]

General rule of thumb is that people like us would pick the must useless leadership team (like we'd pick awful cabinets)

[Suburbia]

Imagine what a waste it'd be to have the first black Speaker of the House be Jim Clyburn.

He's a historic figure in a sense, a black Southern Democrat, like John Lewis. I always thought that Sanford Bishop (D-Georgia) should have been the first black Speaker of the House.

Mia Love (R-Utah) would be a historic first as Speaker for the Republicans, but she does not have a leadership role that I can think of. She would also be seen as a Uncle Tom.

[Dr. MB]

I'd support Tim Ryan, Raul Grijalva, and Tulsi Gabbard.

[GoTfan]

I'd support Tim Ryan, Raul Grijalva, and Tulsi Gabbard.

I like Tulsi, but she needs more experience before going for a leadership position. Personally, I'd like her to run for Governor in 2022.

Raul seems pretty solid as a choice for Leader.

[DrScholl]

Gabbard does not belong in the leadership and thankfully will never get there. She is NOT a progressive.

[freepcrusher]

few ideas:

Eliot Engel
Pete Visclosky
Frank Pallone
Marcy Kaptur
Pete DeFazio
Richard Neal
Sanford Bishop
Adam Smith
Bobby Scott
Gene Green

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Most of congress needs to be replaced.

[Kamala]

I think any Dem leadership team needs at least:
- a woman
- a (preferably rural or Rust Belt) Midwesterner
- an African-American

Cheri Bustos, for example, fulfills two roles.

[Shadows]

I think any Dem leadership team needs at least:
- a woman
- a (preferably rural or Rust Belt) Midwesterner
- an African-American

Cheri Bustos, for example, fulfills two roles.

That kind of racist identity politics is going to make Congress red for a long time, incarcerating more blacks, suppressing their votes & will pose more abortion restrictions on women, etc. The last thing people want is for the white vote to be as anywhere near polarized as the South !

[Kamala]

I think any Dem leadership team needs at least:
- a woman
- a (preferably rural or Rust Belt) Midwesterner
- an African-American

Cheri Bustos, for example, fulfills two roles.

That kind of racist identity politics is going to make Congress red for a long time, incarcerating more blacks, suppressing their votes & will pose more abortion restrictions on women, etc. The last thing people want is for the white vote to be as anywhere near polarized as the South !

What are you on about? African-Americans represent a large part of the Democratic base and coalition. It's important that their voices and interests are represented in the leadership as well.

[Chief Justice Keef]

Gabbard does not belong in the leadership and thankfully will never get there. She is NOT a progressive.

I think her earlier Hindu nationalist beliefs were pretty alarming but she's definitely fits the term "progressive" compared to most in the Democratic caucus.

[Yank2133]

What is the appeal of Tim Ryan?

[DrScholl]

What is the appeal of Tim Ryan?

He's a white man from Ohio, which people seem to think will equal an automatic landslide.

[politicallefty]

I'm glad this forum doesn't choose our Congressional leadership. If we can get the House back next year, Pelosi should retake the Speakership (even if she will have the unfortunate duty of introducing Trump). As for the leadership below her, I have no issue replacing them. Hoyer and Clyburn should go.

[Shadows]

I think any Dem leadership team needs at least:
- a woman
- a (preferably rural or Rust Belt) Midwesterner
- an African-American

Cheri Bustos, for example, fulfills two roles.

That kind of racist identity politics is going to make Congress red for a long time, incarcerating more blacks, suppressing their votes & will pose more abortion restrictions on women, etc. The last thing people want is for the white vote to be as anywhere near polarized as the South !

What are you on about? African-Americans represent a large part of the Democratic base and coalition. It's important that their voices and interests are represented in the leadership as well.

How does putting a black person without much capability represent the African American community? Is this the best the Dems can do? What about someone like Elijah Cummings or someone else? Surely there is someone better among the African American community.

Ultimately how is the African American community getting positively effected in their day to day lives? Is this guy advancing their concerns & agenda & fighting for them? Otherwise, putting a random guy is meaningless.

Besides the hispanic population larger than the African American community & is now overwhelmingly democratic, but they don't have a representation in every single leadership position at every single time. I think this obsession with token representation without any meaningless benefit will not help the African american community to move out of being the poorest, least educated & most incarcerated race. You can be happy that a Clyburn or a Joy Reid is a major political or media figure & that these figures get power, money, respect & everything else but that doesn't help your daily life, just helps a couple of people attain power by playing identity politics.

[Kamala]

Great strawman, Shadows. I totally said we need to pull some random black person off the street and make him part of the leadership. Yup.

I don't understand why you're so vehemently opposed to African-Americans being represented in Democratic leadership, especially when there are so many talented and passionate black Representatives, such as Terri Sewell, Harlem Jeffries, Cedric Richmond, G.K. Butterfield, Bobby Scott, and freshmen like Val Demings and Lisa Rochester. If you really think that there aren't any qualified African American representatives, I don't know what to tell you.

This is as much "tokenism" as putting someone like Tim Ryan as Minority Leader - after all, if we're advocating for the same causes, why do we need a token WWC as part of our leadership?

[NewYorkExpress]

Ideally, only Hoyer steps down. Forcing Clyburn out would lead to riots in the African-American community, and Pelosi isn't going anywhere as long as Hoyer is in leadership.

As for replacing Hoyer, I'd pick Ben Ray Lujan or Joaquin Castro.

[Mr. Smith]

Ideally, only Hoyer steps down. Forcing Clyburn out would lead to riots in the African-American community, and Pelosi isn't going anywhere as long as Hoyer is in leadership.

As for replacing Hoyer, I'd pick Ben Ray Lujan or Joaquin Castro.

So put Ellison in then. Or perhaps Barbara Lee if Trump really does go in on NK or Venezuela.

Ryan. Ellison. Castro.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Why does everything Shadows posts seem designed to sow divisions within the American left(just look at that title)

[Maxwell]

If we only could pick one, Hoyer needs to be evicted absolutely. I also want Pelosi to go, but only if we can actually find a suitable replacement for her, which I do not see from this embarrassing Dem caucus. Still, I'd like someone to do media interviews for her, she's obviously a capable floor manager but an embarrassment when it comes to actual interviews. Maybe she could be demoted to Hoyer's spot, IDK.

Hoyer deserves to be primaried ala Eric Cantor. Just a useless money man, has been for years.

[politicallefty]

If we only could pick one, Hoyer needs to be evicted absolutely. I also want Pelosi to go, but only if we can actually find a suitable replacement for her, which I do not see from this embarrassing Dem caucus. Still, I'd like someone to do media interviews for her, she's obviously a capable floor manager but an embarrassment when it comes to actual interviews. Maybe she could be demoted to Hoyer's spot, IDK.

Hoyer deserves to be primaried ala Eric Cantor. Just a useless money man, has been for years.

I'll give you credit for actually considering competency in terms of running the House itself. Pelosi is probably one of the best floor managers ever. Unfortunately, yeah, she isn't the best in terms of dealing with the media. A lot of those that are opposed to Pelosi on the right want her out because she has been the best Democratic Leader in the House since at least Tip O'Neill (and probably better). I don't think there is any logical successor right now. I think the best option is to have her retake the Speakership and retire on a high note. She's an Italian Catholic; she's not a lifer in Congress. I do think she wants to eventually retire, but I think she wants to do it on her terms (on a high note) and have a successor in place. Also, there have been a lot of rumours for a long while now that Pelosi doesn't ever want Hoyer to succeed her.