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Higgins
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« on: July 31, 2017, 06:48:03 PM »

Let's be honest: The GOP has been better at PR and selling themselves since Reagan. Clinton and Obama were flukes. "Morning Again in America" "MAGA" - whether you are a Dem or Republican, you have to admit, those were/are winning ideas/strategies.

Should the next Dem candidate use a Republican strategist or advance man to help run and direct the campaign, to get back the WWC vote?
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 07:52:01 PM »

Such as?

The most notable potential defector would be Scott McClellan, who was Deputy Comms. Director for Bush's campaign. Besides him, Kasich's team as well as the likes of the campaign teams of Hanna, Sasse, and Flake might be okay.

As long as Trump's running, I can't see any of his people defecting. If he retires, I could see Kushner moving over towards a Democrat.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2017, 08:22:49 PM »

You mean the McMullin voters who blindly believed Romney had a chance and Trump didn't? Maybe take a cue from Trump's facebook strategy, but other than that, totally failed GOP strategists are typically clueless and have nothing to offer the Democratic Party. Best to avoid taking their advice entirely and focus on traditional Democratic messaging like on right to work, healthcare, race, education, competence, etc. Move to the right if you have to. In the long run, I think it would be a great idea to win those failed GOP strategists' votes. But let's not let them have any influence on the party until they're already loyal Democrats. Crucially, support the party. Don't pretend to be anything other than Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 11:56:49 PM »

Cuomo already has Maria Comella working for him.  She previously worked for Giuliani and Christie.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 04:17:44 PM »

You mean the McMullin voters who blindly believed Romney had a chance and Trump didn't? Maybe take a cue from Trump's facebook strategy, but other than that, totally failed GOP strategists are typically clueless and have nothing to offer the Democratic Party. Best to avoid taking their advice entirely and focus on traditional Democratic messaging like on right to work, healthcare, race, education, competence, etc. Move to the right if you have to. In the long run, I think it would be a great idea to win those failed GOP strategists' votes. But let's not let them have any influence on the party until they're already loyal Democrats. Crucially, support the party. Don't pretend to be anything other than Democrats.


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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 04:46:12 PM »

Bill Clinton brought in Dick Morris to advise his 1982 campaign for governor after getting washed out by the Reagan tide two years earlier, and it worked. Then, after the historic 1994 Congressional loss, he brought Morris back again and recovered on the latter's advice.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 04:51:24 PM »

Sure. What could possibly go wrong?

Absolutely not. They would intentionally give bad advice.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 04:53:49 PM »

I think it is a smart idea is to steal a page from Karl Rove's 2004 playbook were he decided the best way to beat Kerry was to attack his strengths so his weaknesses become more glaring (ie Kerry was a vet so get the swift-boat ads). So what does that mean for Trump? His biggest strength seems to be "the outsider who tells it like it is" so in 2020 hammer the airways with the goldman sachs exec in his cabinet or breaking his promise to cut medicaid or medicare to pay for cutting rich people's taxes
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 05:13:03 PM »

Sure. What could possibly go wrong?

Absolutely not. They would intentionally give bad advice.

Dick Morris is one of the big reasons Clinton won a second term.
Democrats for Nixon is what helped Nixon get elected.

The opposite side of the aisle can be quite useful. We need Republicans who are disaffected with Trumpism on board. The Democratic Party needs better PR, too.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2017, 06:39:12 PM »

They should use a Republican POLLSTER.

One thing I noticed is that when Bush beat Kerry in 2004 and Trump beat Clinton in 2016 they were taken by surprise with their high turnout in certain areas. They're like "We hit our targets but we had no idea they'd drive up X group in certain states!"

For example, in Florida Clinton had the turnout she needed. She thought she'd win Florida for example because she had absolute record breaking turnout. The problem? Trump had ungodly turnout - something she didn't see.

So basically, the next Democratic candidate not only has to know what his or her turnout is going to be, but the Republican's as well so they aren't taken by surprise. Basically, know if the Republican candidate (Trump most likely) will have incredible turnout as well.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2017, 08:04:39 PM »

You mean the McMullin voters who blindly believed Romney had a chance and Trump didn't? Maybe take a cue from Trump's facebook strategy, but other than that, totally failed GOP strategists are typically clueless and have nothing to offer the Democratic Party. Best to avoid taking their advice entirely and focus on traditional Democratic messaging like on right to work, healthcare, race, education, competence, etc. Move to the right if you have to. In the long run, I think it would be a great idea to win those failed GOP strategists' votes. But let's not let them have any influence on the party until they're already loyal Democrats. Crucially, support the party. Don't pretend to be anything other than Democrats.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 08:09:41 PM »

Unions are becoming less important in the rust belt and coal country, more important in the public sector and healthcare and education sectors. Supporting unions must be a key Democratic priority regardless, and that means the future of the party must rest on opposing right to work.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2017, 08:19:45 PM »

Unions are becoming less important in the rust belt and coal country, more important in the public sector and healthcare and education sectors. Supporting unions must be a key Democratic priority regardless, and that means the future of the party must rest on opposing right to work.

Ah OK, it came off as if you were supporting right-to-work laws. Thanks for clarifying.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 11:04:40 PM »

...are people seriously talking about Dick Morris as a credible figure?
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2017, 06:02:39 AM »

This sounds like a weak west wing plotline.

The top strategists in 2016 for the GOP were working for Bush, Cruz or Kasich. Besides the entire rationale since 2008 is that you needed to follow the Obama campaign approach to politics.

And lol at pointing to messaging and then saying 'Obama was a fluke'. Hope and Change? Yes We can? Fired up?
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2017, 06:16:42 AM »

yeah he sure won because "morning again in america" idiotic commercial lol
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 06:28:11 AM »

Let's be honest: The Democrats has been better at PR and selling themselves since Clinton. Bush and Trump were flukes. "Triangulation" "Yes We Can" - whether you are a Dem or Republican, you have to admit, those were/are winning ideas/strategies.

Should the next GOP candidate use a Democratic strategist or advance man to help run and direct the campaign, to get back the non-WWC vote?
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