Pew: Hispanic Identity Fades Across Generations

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

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With the growing influence of the Hispanic population in past and coming decades, this Pew survey shows some very interesting trends...

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What implication does this have vis a vis the political demography of the "Hispanic" population?

[Green Line]

The race industry will do their best to stop this.

[Dr. MB]

If they have say 25% Cuban ancestry and look completely white, and don't have a Spanish surname, then I probably wouldn't expect them to identify as Hispanic.

[Strudelcutie4427]

My family is Portuguese and Cuban but we call ourselves white except on job and school applications lol. We look white and have been in the country for over 100 years so I believe it. It takes a few generations but Hispanics integrate eventually just like your average Irish or Italian

[TDAS04]

Obviously the notion that Hispanics are "taking over" and not learning English is largely xenophobic paranoia.

[Torie]

Obviously the notion that Hispanics are "taking over" and not learning English is largely xenophobic paranoia.

My experience in Socal with Hispanics was almost totally positive, and my best friend and business partner is Hispanic. He now resides in my house in Orange County, and manages my real estate there for me. I cringe at this sort of stuff - viscerally. It is just so unfair.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I suspect once the majority (or at least a large number) of Hispanics don't identify as Hispanic, the group as a whole will be less Democratic in Presidential elections.

[The Free North]

I suspect once the majority (or at least a large number) of Hispanics don't identify as Hispanic, the group as a whole will be less Democratic in Presidential elections.

What then becomes the plan for Dems in national elections?

[darklordoftech]

Will Hispanic immigrants stop arriving in demographic-changing numbers? Also, schools and colleges often require students to take Spanish classes.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I suspect once the majority (or at least a large number) of Hispanics don't identify as Hispanic, the group as a whole will be less Democratic in Presidential elections.

What then becomes the plan for Dems in national elections?

What is largely benefiting the Democrats is going to be generational displacement of boomers with Millennials. This will skew more in their favor in states where said generation is more diverse, simply because the white population will not be Republican enough and/or large enough to offset it. This will be to their benefit everywhere, but assuming some form of equilibrium is restored and judging by history of the GOP (it will be through as few changes as possible), eventually it will break down with Democrats dominating big and diverse states.

Only once the Democrats are perceived as pursuing issues and priorities that are counter to their interests, will you see any given group break away from their umbrella. This was largely true for Irish, Italians, White ethnics, Southern Whites, Midwest Working class whites etc.

And their willingness to jump to the Republicans will be determined by just how hostile they are perceived as being, first and foremost in terms of identity, but just as importantly in terms of socioeconomic interest.

[Beet]

I've always said in the future we should get rid of the construct of "race" altogether, at least in official Census forms. All it does is divide. Count ethnicity if you must count something, as at least that would provide detailed information, but "race" is a destructive construct.

[darklordoftech]

Will Hispanic immigrants stop arriving in demographic-changing numbers? Also, schools and colleges often require students to take Spanish classes.

Do schools require this? I haven’t met anyone in Latino heavy SoCal who was forced to take Spanish classes. Usually it’s a 2-3 year foreign language requirement and you have the option of taking one out of 2-3 different languages.

I was required to take a Spanish class every year from Kindergaten to Sophomore Year of High School, and and I'm going to have to take yet another in order to graduate from Community College.

[King Lear]

The reason this is true is that unlike whites (those of European, North African, or Middle Eastern ancestry), Blacks (those of Sub-Saharan African ancestry), Asians (those of East Asian, Southeast Asian, or South Asian ancestry), Native Americans (those of Amerindian ancestry), and Pacific Islanders (those of Oceanian ancestry) Hispanics are not a real racial group but instead a mixture of White, Native American, and Black ancestry, the only thing that unites them is their Spanish language and Catholic Religion meaning that once they start speaking English, converting to Protestantism, making money, and mixing with White people a lot of them will forget their origins and turn into bigoted republicans. For this reason I believe Asians will remain more Democratic in the long run despite their higher incomes for several reasons, first unlike Hispanics, Asians belong to a real racial group (East and Southeast Asians are racially Mongoloid while South Asians are a complicated Caucasoid-Australoid mix) and the majority practice Non-Christian religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam) or are increasingly nonreligious, and second exit polls show that unlike Hispanics second and third generation Asians are significantly more democratic then their first generation counterparts (who voted republican due to Anti-communism) and lastly due to their obvious racial and cultural differences with white people they aren’t intermixing with them as much as Hispanics are.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

The reason this is true is that unlike whites (those of European, North African, or Middle Eastern ancestry), Blacks (those of Sub-Saharan African ancestry), Asians (those of East Asian, Southeast Asian, or South Asian ancestry), Native Americans (those of Amerindian ancestry), and Pacific Islanders (those of Oceanian ancestry) Hispanics are not a real racial group but instead a mixture of White, Native American, and Black ancestry, the only thing that unites them is their Spanish language and Catholic Religion meaning that once they start speaking English, converting to Protestantism, making money, and mixing with White people a lot of them will forget their origins and turn into bigoted republicans. For this reason I believe Asians will remain more Democratic in the long run despite their higher incomes for several reasons, first unlike Hispanics, Asians belong to a real racial group (East and Southeast Asians are racially Mongoloid while South Asians are a complicated Caucasoid-Australoid mix) and the majority practice Non-Christian religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam) or are increasingly nonreligious, and second exit polls show that unlike Hispanics second and third generation Asians are significantly more democratic then their first generation counterparts (who voted republican due to Anti-communism) and lastly due to their obvious racial and cultural differences with white people they aren’t intermixing with them as much as Hispanics are

What? The most common interracial couples are Asian females with white males.

[Rookie Yinzer]

I suspect once the majority (or at least a large number) of Hispanics don't identify as Hispanic, the group as a whole will be less Democratic in Presidential elections.

What then becomes the plan for Dems in national elections?

Stop treating black voters like bastard stepchildren.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Of course there are differences between the generations. When Hillary hacks tried to argue that Hillary won Nevada Hispanics (despite the exit poll showing Bernie won them), they probably just looked at first generation immigrant areas.

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

The reason this is true is that unlike whites (those of European, North African, or Middle Eastern ancestry), Blacks (those of Sub-Saharan African ancestry), Asians (those of East Asian, Southeast Asian, or South Asian ancestry), Native Americans (those of Amerindian ancestry), and Pacific Islanders (those of Oceanian ancestry) Hispanics are not a real racial group but instead a mixture of White, Native American, and Black ancestry, the only thing that unites them is their Spanish language and Catholic Religion meaning that once they start speaking English, converting to Protestantism, making money, and mixing with White people a lot of them will forget their origins and turn into bigoted republicans. For this reason I believe Asians will remain more Democratic in the long run despite their higher incomes for several reasons, first unlike Hispanics, Asians belong to a real racial group (East and Southeast Asians are racially Mongoloid while South Asians are a complicated Caucasoid-Australoid mix) and the majority practice Non-Christian religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam) or are increasingly nonreligious, and second exit polls show that unlike Hispanics second and third generation Asians are significantly more democratic then their first generation counterparts (who voted republican due to Anti-communism) and lastly due to their obvious racial and cultural differences with white people they aren’t intermixing with them as much as Hispanics are

What? The most common interracial couples are Asian females with white males.

Between all the rambling and run-on sentences the King's got a point here.

Asians have always been seen as "perpetual foreigners" and never fully assimilated into American culture the way Italians, the Irish, etc did, even though Asians have been here as long as the Euro immigrants did. And it's likely to continue - Hispanics become white but Asians stay Asian, due to these salient physical and cultural differences. (Though to say some races are "realer" than others is frankly absurd, since races are societal concepts.)

Though if well-educated Asians continue immigrating and Asian voices become more prominent in American society, we can see a shift towards Asians becoming "white," especially for those with partial Asian ancestry.

[King Lear]

Asians have always been seen as "perpetual foreigners" and never fully assimilated into American culture the way Italians, the Irish, etc did, even though Asians have been here as long as the Euro immigrants did. And it's likely to continue - Hispanics become white but Asians stay Asian, due to these salient physical and cultural differences. (Though to say some races are "realer" than others is frankly absurd, since races are societal concepts.)

I mean can’t this be said of latinos (or mestizos racially speaking)? They’ve been separate from being apart of the traditional white hegemony even though they’ve been in the US since 1845 with Texas and 1850 with California. That’s more or less the same timetable as Asian immigrants to the US.

Another thing people have to take into consideration is that most people of mixed Asian and white ancestry are still pretty Mongoloid looking, while people of mixed Hispanic and White ancestry are more Caucasoid looking because most Hispanics (including Mestizos and Mullatoes) have some amount of European (usually Spanish) ancestry. This makes it much easier for White-Hispanic mixed people to be accepted into White society then Asian-White mixed people.

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

The reason this is true is that unlike whites (those of European, North African, or Middle Eastern ancestry), Blacks (those of Sub-Saharan African ancestry), Asians (those of East Asian, Southeast Asian, or South Asian ancestry), Native Americans (those of Amerindian ancestry), and Pacific Islanders (those of Oceanian ancestry) Hispanics are not a real racial group but instead a mixture of White, Native American, and Black ancestry, the only thing that unites them is their Spanish language and Catholic Religion meaning that once they start speaking English, converting to Protestantism, making money, and mixing with White people a lot of them will forget their origins and turn into bigoted republicans. For this reason I believe Asians will remain more Democratic in the long run despite their higher incomes for several reasons, first unlike Hispanics, Asians belong to a real racial group (East and Southeast Asians are racially Mongoloid while South Asians are a complicated Caucasoid-Australoid mix) and the majority practice Non-Christian religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam) or are increasingly nonreligious, and second exit polls show that unlike Hispanics second and third generation Asians are significantly more democratic then their first generation counterparts (who voted republican due to Anti-communism) and lastly due to their obvious racial and cultural differences with white people they aren’t intermixing with them as much as Hispanics are

What? The most common interracial couples are Asian females with white males.

Between all the rambling and run-on sentences the King's got a point here.

Asians have always been seen as "perpetual foreigners" and never fully assimilated into American culture the way Italians, the Irish, etc did, even though Asians have been here as long as the Euro immigrants did. And it's likely to continue - Hispanics become white but Asians stay Asian, due to these salient physical and cultural differences. (Though to say some races are "realer" than others is frankly absurd, since races are societal concepts.)

Though if well-educated Asians continue immigrating and Asian voices become more prominent in American society, we can see a shift towards Asians becoming "white," especially for those with partial Asian ancestry.

Agreed although I also think this extends to Asians with non-white POC ancestry as well.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     This isn't even a little surprising, and refers to something I have been talking about for a while; much like the Southern Europeans of a century ago, Hispanics are gradually being assimilated into the predominant American culture. Hispanic ethnic identity likely collapses as a major factor in the United States in the next 50 years and the popular consensus comes to classify the bulk of them as "white".

[ملكة كرينجيتوك]

Asians have always been seen as "perpetual foreigners" and never fully assimilated into American culture the way Italians, the Irish, etc did, even though Asians have been here as long as the Euro immigrants did. And it's likely to continue - Hispanics become white but Asians stay Asian, due to these salient physical and cultural differences. (Though to say some races are "realer" than others is frankly absurd, since races are societal concepts.)

I mean can’t this be said of latinos (or mestizos racially speaking)? They’ve been separate from being apart of the traditional white hegemony even though they’ve been in the US since 1845 with Texas and 1850 with California. That’s more or less the same timetable as Asian immigrants to the US.

The majority of today's Asian Americans (except for those of Japanese heritage) are descended from post-1965 waves of immigration. They will assimilate given enough time, but I'm skeptical if they will truly be considered "white" within this century.

[King of Kensington]

Is there any data on what percentage of the (non-Puerto Rican) Hispanic population is third generation+?

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

Is there any data on what percentage of the (non-Puerto Rican) Hispanic population is third generation+?

I would be very interested in seeing such data if it exists as well.

[King of Kensington]

To answer my own question, some 2013 data:

Hispanic Americans

1st generation  34.9%
2nd generation  31.5%
3rd generation+  33.6%

Mexican Americans

1st generation+  32.9%
2nd generation  34.8%
3rd generation+  32.3%

Puerto Ricans

1st generation  0.9%
2nd generation  8.8%
3rd generation+  90.3%

Cuban Americans

1st generation  59.1%
2nd generation  28.4%
3rd generation+  12.5%

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/P23-214.pdf