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« on: October 02, 2016, 07:29:54 AM »

Can't make this shit up

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-01/donald-trump-to-be-coached-by-nigel-farage-before-next-presidential-debate/

Hey does anyone remember when Farage had a massive sulk when Obama made his overture in the EU referendum? Something about other countries should mind their own business? Hmm.

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2016, 07:32:34 AM »

Can't make this shit up

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-01/donald-trump-to-be-coached-by-nigel-farage-before-next-presidential-debate/

Hey does anyone remember when Farage had a massive sulk when Obama made his overture in the EU referendum? Something about other countries should mind their own business? Hmm.



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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2016, 07:32:54 AM »

Both Farage and Trump campaign are denying this.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298817-uks-nigel-farage-to-coach-trump-before-next-debate-report
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2016, 07:38:22 AM »

even if true......mister farage's task was always muuuuuuuuuuch easier than mister trump's one...and there are about 10000 people now trying to prep donald .....seems like overkill and not very successful.

btw....does anyone think a random audience sample in the second debate will include anyone asking questions about decades-old-clinton-scandals or even benghazi?

contrary to the big amount of recent trump gaffes, i think only email-geddon is going to be a problem for HRC at all, otherwise it's all about policy or at least bragging.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2016, 08:01:31 AM »

Whether they deny it or not doesn't matter. Farage can't improve Trump's performance.

Still, if Trump tells someone in the audience to "calm down, dear", we'll know where he got that from.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2016, 08:43:59 AM »

Whether they deny it or not doesn't matter. Farage can't improve Trump's performance.

Still, if Trump tells someone in the audience to "calm down, dear", we'll know where he got that from.
That was a David Cameron quote. I'm pretty sure he's a Clinton supporter.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2016, 09:39:14 AM »

I don't know if this is true but despite Farage being an extremely polarising figure he is actually a pretty good debater and gives well thought out coherent speeches (even if you don't agree with the content). Thus I don't think it would be harmful for Trump to take a few lessons from Farage however Trump never listens, has the vocabulary of a ten year old, and isn't quick witted enough to be a good debater (especially against someone who knows her stuff like Clinton) so the impact of said 'coaching lessons' will be negligible.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2016, 10:26:50 AM »

Whether they deny it or not doesn't matter. Farage can't improve Trump's performance.

Still, if Trump tells someone in the audience to "calm down, dear", we'll know where he got that from.
That was a David Cameron quote. I'm pretty sure he's a Clinton supporter.

No it wasn't. Or, rather, yes it was as well, but that's not the one I'm thinking of.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/07/farage-calls-migrant-sex-attack-comments-tiddly-issue-in-eu-referendum-campaign
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 10:32:26 AM »

Whether they deny it or not doesn't matter. Farage can't improve Trump's performance.

Still, if Trump tells someone in the audience to "calm down, dear", we'll know where he got that from.
That was a David Cameron quote. I'm pretty sure he's a Clinton supporter.

Probably, considering he supported Obama in '12:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9427438/David-Cameron-angered-US-conservatives-with-unprecedented-election-year-embrace-of-Barack-Obama.html

U.K. Conservatives are really quite different from U.S. Conservatives.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 11:57:30 AM »

I hope its true, Farage is an excellent debater and great at thinking on his feet.  
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 12:08:37 PM »

I am only relieved Farage is not American.  If Donald Trump, of all people, made it this far, Farage would potentially be an incredibly dangerous force in our politics.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 01:17:53 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2016, 01:19:32 PM by EnglishPete »

Whether they deny it or not doesn't matter. Farage can't improve Trump's performance.

Still, if Trump tells someone in the audience to "calm down, dear", we'll know where he got that from.
That was a David Cameron quote. I'm pretty sure he's a Clinton supporter.

Probably, considering he supported Obama in '12:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9427438/David-Cameron-angered-US-conservatives-with-unprecedented-election-year-embrace-of-Barack-Obama.html

U.K. Conservatives are really quite different from U.S. Conservatives.
David Cameron is someone who was very much on the left wing of the Conservative Party. Ideologically he is very similar to his friend Tony Blair, who was on the right wing of the Labour party.

In many ways he's similar to his hero Harold MacMillan (Prime Minister 1957-63). Someone who was politically center left but who was too much of a blueblood snob to actually join the party of the left. If he'd been around in the 1960s US he would have been a Rockefeller Republican (like Hillary Clinton!). In the present era he would support the Democrats (like Hillary Clinton!).

In many way the coalition he had to form with the Liberal Democrat Party in his first five years of government was a great convenience for him. Whenever his right wing backbenchers would demand a more right wing policy he could always use the excuse 'Well we can't have that policy because the Lib Dems won't accept it'.

Part of the reason he's left parliament is that he's unhappy with some of the ways that Theresa May has started to move government policy to the right. He didn't want to support the new policies but he didn't want to make himself unpopular with his party by opposing them and being accused of being disloyal and a spoiler. So he left early.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 02:40:46 PM »

Smart move by Trump. Nigel is a master debater.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2016, 02:53:53 PM »

This is a disaster waiting to happen. The last thing we need is that wicked, venomous man affecting our political discourse. I really hope this doesn't cause a decline in Trump's performance in the next one, but it almost certainly will.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2016, 02:59:34 PM »

Part of the reason he's left parliament is that he's unhappy with some of the ways that Theresa May has started to move government policy to the right. He didn't want to support the new policies but he didn't want to make himself unpopular with his party by opposing them and being accused of being disloyal and a spoiler. So he left early.

He left because (a) he didn't want to spend the rest of his political career being blamed for breaking his country, and (b) because the Foreign Affairs Committee was about to release a report highly critical of his intervention in Libya.
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2016, 03:37:17 PM »

Part of the reason he's left parliament is that he's unhappy with some of the ways that Theresa May has started to move government policy to the right. He didn't want to support the new policies but he didn't want to make himself unpopular with his party by opposing them and being accused of being disloyal and a spoiler. So he left early.

He left because (a) he didn't want to spend the rest of his political career being blamed for breaking his country, and (b) because the Foreign Affairs Committee was about to release a report highly critical of his intervention in Libya.
Well there's other factors as well, not least wanting to cash in like Tony Blair. However political considerations did play a role in the timing. As for worrying about what the public think he's always come across to me as an arrogant b*stard who doesn't much care for the opinions of the lower orders (except when he was asking for their vote of course).
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2016, 03:40:55 PM »

This is a disaster waiting to happen. The last thing we need is that wicked, venomous man affecting our political discourse. I really hope this doesn't cause a decline in Trump's performance in the next one, but it almost certainly will.

Really? Nigel is the reason Brexit happened.  As a Trump supporter, you should be enthused and not dismayed.  And what's "wicked and venomous" about Farage where Trump is already steps beyond that?
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2016, 03:44:21 PM »

This is a disaster waiting to happen. The last thing we need is that wicked, venomous man affecting our political discourse. I really hope this doesn't cause a decline in Trump's performance in the next one, but it almost certainly will.

Really? Nigel is the reason Brexit happened.  As a Trump supporter, you should be enthused and not dismayed.  And what's "wicked and venomous" about Farage where Trump is already steps beyond that?

It's pretty obvious that he's not actually a Trump supporter.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2016, 03:47:41 PM »

Most people who voted to Brexit hate Farage's guts.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2016, 03:54:48 PM »

This is a disaster waiting to happen. The last thing we need is that wicked, venomous man affecting our political discourse. I really hope this doesn't cause a decline in Trump's performance in the next one, but it almost certainly will.

Really? Nigel is the reason Brexit happened.  As a Trump supporter, you should be enthused and not dismayed.  And what's "wicked and venomous" about Farage where Trump is already steps beyond that?

No, polls during the campaign showed that Farage was distrusted by something like 70-80% of the electorate. Had he been the official leader of the Leave campaign it would likely have lost - it would have put off the third of Muslim voters who voted Leave for example.

It can be argued that he was a major contributing factor to the referendum being held, but that's another matter.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2016, 04:24:55 PM »

Smart move by Trump. Nigel is a master debater.

have you ever actually watched any debates that nige has ever been in?
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2016, 06:07:03 PM »

I think that if Hillary Clinton were coaching him, it wouldn't make any difference.  He's given no indication that he will listen to anyone.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2016, 08:16:37 PM »

This is a disaster waiting to happen. The last thing we need is that wicked, venomous man affecting our political discourse. I really hope this doesn't cause a decline in Trump's performance in the next one, but it almost certainly will.

Nigel has never lost a debate.

Ever.

He knows how to sway an audience, great at thinking on his feet and completely dominated any opposition to leaving the EU.
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