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Question: Protesters made a giant inflatable Trump wearing a KKK robe. Is this a fair depiction of Trump's campaign ?
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Yes, 100% fair depiction of trump's campaign
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Yes, somewhat fair depiction of trump's campaign
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No. This is not a fair depiction.
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2016, 07:38:15 PM »

Fair? Perhaps not when you get down to the nuances of it.
Deserved? Absolutely!

The laws of our country, laws that were formulated before Trump had his first date with Ivana, call for the deportation of folks who are in the country illegally.

Is it racist to expect these laws be enforced?  Trump didn't write them, but he is calling for their enforcement.  Is he wrong?

I understand the counter-argument for this (well, one of the counter-arguments, anyway).  It's the call for broad-based reform that addresses the problem of our porous border along with some kind of amnesty for those already here.  It's sensible to a point, and I am open to an exception for "Dreamers" who were brought here by their parents and who know nothing of life anywhere else.  

But I also note that this has been tried before, and the porous borders have never been addressed.  On top of that, the Democratic Party is SO beholden to the Hispanic vote that they pretty much advocate a policy of "If you get here, you can stay here!".  The Democrats haven't come out with that yet, but I predict they will in time.

Our immigration laws aren't racist.  They're protectionistic, but what's wrong with that?  It's one thing for our government to help create opportunity for other Americans, but it's NOT our job to create opportunities for the rest of the world.  We don't need any more immigrants, and we need to enforce our current laws to have an effect on those who would think about illegally entering the United States, or illegally overstaying their visa.  Is that outrageous?

And what about trump's derogatory remark towards U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, an American citizen born in Indiana, of Mexican origin.
Was this a racist comment ? Of course it is !
Was it wrong for trump to say this ? Yes !

This is the problem with you trump supporters. Somehow you can block things like this from reaching your brain cells (with the little yall have). You only concentrate on the things that make you "feel good," but the bad stuff from trump just doesn't exist.


Over my lifetime, I have seen all sorts of American-born politicians throw national interest to the wind to advocate policies that reflect the sentiments of their ethnic group, or their constituents of their ethnic group.  I've seen Jewish-American politicians urge rejection of the Iranian trade deal because Bibi Netanyahu is against it, but I've seen Arab-American politicians (Former Democratic Sen. James Abouresk of South Dakota comes to mind.) vote against measures designed to support Israel down the line.  I've seen Greek-American politicians vote against aid to Turkey when Greece and Turkey were in conflict on Cyprus, regardless of the fact that at the time, Greece was ruled by a military junta and Turkey was an indispensable  Cold War ally.  I've seen Irish-American politicians not hide their support for Noraid, which funded the IRA in Northern Ireland, eschewing more moderate voices that (thank God) ultimately prevailed.

I note that Trump's lawyers aren't asking for a recusal, and I agree that Trump probably should have shut up on the issue.  But Judge Curiel is just another politician, and Trump has seen the things I've seen over time.  Not too many folks on either side of the aisle and spectrum TRULY put America First.  Remember the response in debate Trump received when he suggested he could serve as an "Honest Broker" in the Israeli-Palestinian matter?  Were people even open to the principle that such a role by an American President might be in America's best interest?

Trump's campaign is an "America First" campaign, and it's long overdue.

My right arm is itching, and you go and scratch my left arm.
Complete denial and deflection in your entire response.
First of all, Curiel is not a politician, he is a federal judge.
So your entire statement goes out the window. It's convenient for you to try to portray Curiel as "a politician" to fit your argument. But you fail greatly.
The next thing trump and his campaign will fool his followers, is to get them to believe that the bag-boy at my local supermarket, is also "technically a politician."
Ugggggggggggg.


A Federal Judge is not a politician?  That's news to me.  He's part of the Judicial Branch of the Federal Government, and the process by which Judge Curiel got to where he is now is INTENSELY political.  I would assume that Judge Curiel did not get his position without the support of Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-IN), just as Republican Federal Judges don't get their position without the approval of the Senator(s) of their party from their state.

What is the biggest issue for the GOP; the issue that will, according to many, unite the GOP and save Trump?  Why, it's "Judicial Activism" (liberal-style, of course).  Trump's saving grace, in the eyes of a whole host of GOP pols, is the belief that he will appoint Federal Judges and SCOTUS Justices that will maintain CITIZENS UNITED, throw out ROE v WADE, and the like.  And liberals play this card as well; Hillary tantalizes Democrats with the possibility of multiple SCOTUS appointments, including appointing the replacements to Scalia, Kennedy, and maybe even Thomas or Alito. 

And don't think that lower Federal Court appointments are trivial.  Someone observed when Haynesworth and Carswell were rejected by the Senate that it was like not making a bad cop chief of police, but putting him back on the street with a gun in his hand.  Lower Federal Courts make law.  It's why the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is far more liberal than Circuits in the South.  It's important, and it's political.

Judge Curiel's not a politician?  He's not supposed to show it, but that doesn't mean that he isn't.  (This goes for a slew of Federal Judges as well.)
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2016, 12:14:29 AM »
« Edited: June 21, 2016, 12:22:32 AM by Sbane »

Totally unfair, and people know it.

Uh huh, sure. Do you seriously believe Trump won't seize Hispanics and Muslims's property to give it to #hardworking Americans like you?

No, I don't believe he'll seize property through eminent domain without proper and equitable compensation for the property owner(s).

And, yes, I am a hard worker.  I've worked 2 jobs for most of the last 10 years, and I'm 59 years old now.  I support a wife and our grandson, who we have legally adopted (he's 10, and my wife is 61).

I don't know you from Adam.  I will say that, in my experience, folks who look down on the hard work of others generally haven't done much with their lives, other than go to school (and, sometimes, get degrees they aren't using yet).  Maybe you're the exception.  Then again, maybe you're a know-it-all with education, but no real accomplishments.  Folks like that seem to be in abundance; their contempt for the working folks of society is where the roots of anti-intellectualism take hold.  And I'm not anti-intellectual; anti-intellectualism has resulted in the tragic dumbing down of our culture, especially in the civic sense. 

I went to school for 8 years after high school and have made something of myself. But you Trump supporters look at people like me with envy. That is the politics of white resentment. Trump supporters didn't take the opportunities they were presented with by the virtue of being born in the richest country in this world and now they want to blame their problems on others, such as Hispanics and Muslims. They were the ones who didn't get educated and now they bitch and blame others because the economy has moved on. Maybe I am being a little paranoid and hyperbolic, but if I was Muslim I really would feel highly threatened by this movement. God forbid Trump actually became President, what is to stop him from putting all Muslims in camps and confiscating all their property? What happens to the property of Hispanics who will be deported by Trump's thugs? Do the thugs take it for themselves?

Trump supporters are the welfare queens of the right. They want something for nothing. Stop blaming Mexicans and get yourself educated if you can't find a job. The level of entitlement among some people is stunning.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2016, 12:26:15 AM »

Totally unfair, and people know it.

Uh huh, sure. Do you seriously believe Trump won't seize Hispanics and Muslims's property to give it to #hardworking Americans like you?

No, I don't believe he'll seize property through eminent domain without proper and equitable compensation for the property owner(s).

And, yes, I am a hard worker.  I've worked 2 jobs for most of the last 10 years, and I'm 59 years old now.  I support a wife and our grandson, who we have legally adopted (he's 10, and my wife is 61).

I don't know you from Adam.  I will say that, in my experience, folks who look down on the hard work of others generally haven't done much with their lives, other than go to school (and, sometimes, get degrees they aren't using yet).  Maybe you're the exception.  Then again, maybe you're a know-it-all with education, but no real accomplishments.  Folks like that seem to be in abundance; their contempt for the working folks of society is where the roots of anti-intellectualism take hold.  And I'm not anti-intellectual; anti-intellectualism has resulted in the tragic dumbing down of our culture, especially in the civic sense. 

I went to school for 8 years after high school and have made something of myself. But you Trump supporters look at people like me with envy. That is the politics of white resentment. Trump supporters didn't take the opportunities they were presented with by the virtue of being born in the richest country in this world and now they want to blame their problems on others, such as Hispanics and Muslims. They were the ones who didn't get educated and now they bitch and blame others because the economy has moved on. Maybe I am being a little paranoid and hyperbolic, but if I was Muslim I really would feel highly threatened by this movement. God forbid Trump actually became President, what is to stop him from putting all Muslims in camps and confiscating all their property? What happens to the property of Hispanics who will be deported by Trump's thugs? Do the thugs take it for themselves?

Trump supporters are the welfare queens of the right. You guys want something for nothing. Stop blaming Mexicans and get yourself educated if you can't find a job. The level of entitlement among some people is stunning.

It's very sad to see two hard working people fighting for no reason other than the simple fact that they disagree about politics. Calling or even implying FuzzyBear is a welfare queen, a thug, entitled, envious, and failed to take opportunities provided to him is downright mud slinging, and I beg that both of you cease and desist.

Before you respond in anger, FuzzyBear, "Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." That was in Richard Nixon's farewell address, and it applies now.

Neither of you will hear and understand each other until you tone it down and calm down, so that your words may be heard and not just your voices.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2016, 12:29:34 AM »

Totally unfair, and people know it.

Uh huh, sure. Do you seriously believe Trump won't seize Hispanics and Muslims's property to give it to #hardworking Americans like you?

No, I don't believe he'll seize property through eminent domain without proper and equitable compensation for the property owner(s).

And, yes, I am a hard worker.  I've worked 2 jobs for most of the last 10 years, and I'm 59 years old now.  I support a wife and our grandson, who we have legally adopted (he's 10, and my wife is 61).

I don't know you from Adam.  I will say that, in my experience, folks who look down on the hard work of others generally haven't done much with their lives, other than go to school (and, sometimes, get degrees they aren't using yet).  Maybe you're the exception.  Then again, maybe you're a know-it-all with education, but no real accomplishments.  Folks like that seem to be in abundance; their contempt for the working folks of society is where the roots of anti-intellectualism take hold.  And I'm not anti-intellectual; anti-intellectualism has resulted in the tragic dumbing down of our culture, especially in the civic sense. 

I went to school for 8 years after high school and have made something of myself. But you Trump supporters look at people like me with envy. That is the politics of white resentment. Trump supporters didn't take the opportunities they were presented with by the virtue of being born in the richest country in this world and now they want to blame their problems on others, such as Hispanics and Muslims. They were the ones who didn't get educated and now they bitch and blame others because the economy has moved on. Maybe I am being a little paranoid and hyperbolic, but if I was Muslim I really would feel highly threatened by this movement. God forbid Trump actually became President, what is to stop him from putting all Muslims in camps and confiscating all their property? What happens to the property of Hispanics who will be deported by Trump's thugs? Do the thugs take it for themselves?

Trump supporters are the welfare queens of the right. You guys want something for nothing. Stop blaming Mexicans and get yourself educated if you can't find a job. The level of entitlement among some people is stunning.

It's very sad to see two hard working people fighting for no reason other than the simple fact that they disagree about politics. Calling or even implying FuzzyBear is a welfare queen, a thug, entitled, envious, and failed to take opportunities provided to him is downright mud slinging, and I beg that both of you cease and desist.

Before you respond in anger, FuzzyBear, "Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." That was in Richard Nixon's farewell address, and it applies now.

Neither of you will hear and understand each other until you tone it down and calm down, so that your words may be heard and not just your voices.

The post is not directed personally at Fuzzybear. The anger we see in the Trump base comes from white resentment though, and my anger is only a reaction to that. This is not something that is appropriate in politics. This election is absolutely disgusting and I hope this doesn't become the norm in American politics. To be fair, this sort of ugliness is a part of politics in many other countries around the world. America used to be exceptional in that regard, but not anymore. Trump has destroyed that. I hope he loses in a landslide and we can go back to being a civilized country.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2016, 04:57:25 PM »

Personally, I don't think the Nazi/Swastika reference is in proper taste and it is insulting to boot. Trump is in no way on the same level of evil as the Nazis.... but I think the KKK stuff seems fitting, in the sense that Trump has built his campaign on scapegoating ethnic minorities. Obviously I don't think Trump is a white supremacist, but he seems to have no problem saying bigoted things or otherwise denigrating minorities when it benefits him. I don't think it's a coincidence that Stormfront / white supremacists are experiencing more attention this cycle, either.

The Klan should make Trump an honorary member, on account of all the scapegoating of brown people he is doing. He's like David Duke with the baggage Roll Eyes
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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2016, 04:41:47 PM »

Nope. Hillary kissed KKK member Robert Byrd. Clinton Media ignores this because it doesn't fit the narrative of Hillary being pro African Americans.

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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2016, 07:19:24 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2016, 05:00:05 PM by eeveergreen »

Not completely fair. The real T***p isn't inflatable.

Are you sure?  He certainly resembles a thin sheet of orange vinyl filled with hot air.

would be accurate if the inflatable were substantially more flaccid
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