My prediction for 2004

[JNB]

   Realpolitk, I want immigration reduced, not banned, also what does my views on immigration have to do with the fact you know very little on the areas you speak of? If you want to visit the US, then do so, get a 6 month or year Visa even, or go though the long and legal process of becoming a legal resident if you choose, either way, I do not think you have even visited these areas.


. As for the people in the area, I did not say they were hicks, but they are far more conservative on social issues that mainstream Repubicans, and I stick by it. I also will stand by the fact that you know very little about areas such as WVA and Southren Ohio, it is one thing to look on a map, it is quite another to actually go though a area and understand the reason why people vote the way they do. Economic issues every election cycle are holding less and less sway in areas like WVA, if you do not want to accept that, then you really do not understand US politics.

  As for being so hateful realpolitik, I see you seem free to critisize my views because I am not politically corfect and I do not support politically correct causes or parties, be it GOP, Reform or Constituion.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That made no sense at all I'm afraid...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

O.K I'm going to try and have a go at this:

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Why?
America is a nation of immigrants for God's sake...

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Just pointing out your hypocritical views

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But you would have a problem if I was non-white?

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But you basically indictated you thought that.

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But what do you call a mainstream Republican?

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I know quite a bit about WV(and how I found out is none of your business), but I never mentioned Southern Ohio, an area I don't know a lot about.

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Did you fail Geography?

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Not true.

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Insular remarks like that should be ignored and I'm ignoring it.

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I feel free to criticize any viewpoint I feel like criticizing.

[© tweed]

If you aren't a Native American, you don't have a leg to stand on when you say you want to ban immigration.  My ancestors were immigrants into Ellis Island; therefore, my saying that immigartion should be banned or reduced is purely hypocritical.

[Gustaf]

If you aren't a Native American, you don't have a leg to stand on when you say you want to ban immigration.  My ancestors were immigrants into Ellis Island; therefore, my saying that immigartion should be banned or reduced is purely hypocritical.

Hear, hear. What ever happened to "bring us your poor"?

[CHRISTOPHER MICHAE]

If you aren't a Native American, you don't have a leg to stand on when you say you want to ban immigration.  My ancestors were immigrants into Ellis Island; therefore, my saying that immigartion should be banned or reduced is purely hypocritical.

Hear, hear. What ever happened to "bring us your poor"?

I'm all for immigration, and yes, the Statue of Liberty once stood as a Beacon Light to all who wanted to come to America. But, I am afraid, it is now just a symbol of what was. I'd like for Ellis Island to serve as the point of entry it once was, instead of just a reminder of the way we were.

[JNB]

 A few things here about immigration first. If people want to know one reason why unionisation efforts have become so difficult, especially in the contuction and electronics industry, and retail, it is because big business has a supply of illegal abnd in many cases even legal immigrants willing to work for less money. It may be good for big business, but in the long term it rots the standard of living. Ironically the people hurt most by uncontrolled immigration and black and hispanic workers allready in the US. Progressives on the issue of immigration are too caught up in symbolism and too fearful of being called racist, but the truth is it is big business and even unethical small business that is most helped by immgration the poor in the US are badly impacted by it. Want to better the economic situation of the lower classes in the US, immigration has to be on the table. It is not the US has not restricted immigration before, since it was restricted between the early 20s and 1970, and the result was wofrkers had a easier time of forming unions. The symbolic arguement falls flat on its face, but I guess progressives look at symbolism, again, I dont give a flip about political correctness. Yes, the white man took land from the Native Americans, but I look at it in the context of it being a war, the Native Americans lost. By that same token, should the UK give up Northren Ireland? Should  Russia give up East Prussia? Should France give up the territories England used to hold in Normandy? Should Austria demand Croatia back?  Like I said symbolism falls flat on its face when faced with logic.

  Realpolitik,  the more you speak on these subjects, the more clueless you make yourself out to be. Check out how regions like Eastren  Kentucky, WVA, Westren PA and Southren Ohio voted in the 80s. These regions were voted for the Democratic canidate for president in a far higher precentage than the rest of the nation. By 2000, these regions gave Gore than they gave Dukakis by up to 15 points, and except for Allagheny County(Pittsburgh), Bush either won or almost won the population centers of this region. The fact you fail to understand that cultural issues drive so much of US politics now speaks volumes realpolitik. Do you know anything about the two Democratic house members in WVA, Allan Mollohan and Nicak Rahall? While on economic isues they are liberal, on social issues such as guns and abortion, they are quite conservative, needless to say, they do not run on the platform the national party runs on, also West Virgina now has a GOP reprsenative as well. The congressmen in Westren PA are similar, such as Rep. Murthta and Rep. Kanjorski . All of their districts in the 88 elections gave a large margin of the vote to Dukakis, and 2000, their districts were basically 50-50 in the presidential election.

  Realpolitik, I ask you to get over yourself, and try to at least how politics in the US operates. You make yourself to be a expert on these regions, but you are far from it.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't think I'll even bother trying to understand your warped logic.

I already knew that Rahall, Mollohan, Murtha, Kanjorski, Byrd et al are populist Democrats, and I'm a bit shocked that you thought I thought otherwise.

[JNB]

 My point is, realpolitik, and I stated in my previous post is that these Democrats do not run on the issues the national party runs on. They are on social issues far more conservative than Democrats and even some Republicans, and again, you seem to avoid the isue of social issues being the main force in politics now.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

In some elections.

BTW the Democrats were so disorganised in 2002 that I refuse to belive that they even had a national policy...

[jravnsbo]

Sen Zell Miller (D-GA) still doesn't think they have a national policy.

[Gustaf]

Gustaf-do you support the labor party?

I missed this post, so this a pretty late reply. No, I don't. The annoying thing is that I have 7 major parties to choose from and I don't like any of them. Sweden has the world's highest taxes and we have had the same government for 62 out of the last 71 years. We need change, but as I said it never happens. Why do you want to know btw?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So from your viewpoint Swedish politics is like Sattilite TV: Lot's of choice but you don't want to watch any of it.

[Gustaf]

So from your viewpoint Swedish politics is like Sattilite TV: Lot's of choice but you don't want to watch any of it.

One could probably say so, yes. On the other hand, I think I would have the same feeling in a lot of countries. My political profile doesn't fit in very well anywhere, it seems.