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« Reply #175 on: April 14, 2016, 10:18:09 PM »

I get a bad feeling about this with regards to the performance - Hillary is a smart woman, she will be bringing her A Game & could win this debate & big!

You really don't need to play the expectations game with us.  We're not children (mostly), or the media.

Sanders has exceeded my expectation & I thought Clinton got destroyed on foreign policy.
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« Reply #176 on: April 14, 2016, 10:18:20 PM »
« Edited: April 14, 2016, 10:19:52 PM by Castro »

The question on Israel was not a question on policy, it was a question of response. Did she think Israel's actions were disproportionate? That is a yes or no question, to which she avoided in an obvious manner. That was not her response to the $15 question either, so you're just incorrect in that regard.

Disproportionate in what sense?  Relative to what?  She thinks Israel's actions are bad but not entirely unjustified or disproportionate given that Palestine is full of terrorists and they camouflage themselves as civilians to bring about more civilian deaths.

This is what she said, I'm sorry it's not a yes or no answer but what it is is a nuanced, thoughtful and realistic answer, the kind of answer we need from a president.

Again, listening to what the actual questions were would help you realize how clearly she was trying to avoid answering them.
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« Reply #177 on: April 14, 2016, 10:19:22 PM »

The question on Israel was not a question on policy, it was a question of response. Did she think Israel's actions were disproportionate? That is a yes or no question, to which she avoided in an obvious manner. That was not her response to the $15 question either, so you're just incorrect in that regard.

Disproportionate in what sense?  Relative to what?  She thinks Israel's actions are bad but not entirely unjustified or disproportionate given that Palestine is full of terrorists and they camouflage themselves as civilians to bring about more civilian deaths.

This is what she said, I'm sorry it's not a yes or no answer but what it is is a nuanced, thoughtful and realistic answer, the kind of answer we need from a president.

Again, listening to what the actual questions were would help you realize how clearly she was trying to avoid answering them.

She was trying not to give a stupid, simple-minded answer, because she recognizes that these are complicated issues that deserve more thought than Sanders gave them.
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« Reply #178 on: April 14, 2016, 10:20:10 PM »

The South is a conservative area where the GOP would win - In Blue or Purple states, Sanders is ahead.

Purple states, such as Florida, Nevada, Ohio, Virginia and Iowa?  Even Arizona, Missouri or North Carolina?  Remind me; how did they vote again?

Yes - Including those states Sanders is ahead - Nevada was 5% down & will have more delegates, Missouri was a tie delegate wise, Iowa was a tie & Sanders will probably win that with O Malley's delegates.

You add the delegates - Do the numbers - Her 200 delegate lead is largely down to the Southern states.

NC, Arizona, Missouri are not considered swing states by Politico as of now though NC might become one in the future.

Clinton has a lead of close to 250 from non-winnable Deep Red states which is a lost cause in the GE, Sanders has a much smaller number in red states!

This race would be a close one if Clinton did not that those massive margins in Texas, LA, MS, AL, Georgia, Arkansas, etc
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« Reply #179 on: April 14, 2016, 10:21:15 PM »

The question on Israel was not a question on policy, it was a question of response. Did she think Israel's actions were disproportionate? That is a yes or no question, to which she avoided in an obvious manner. That was not her response to the $15 question either, so you're just incorrect in that regard.

Disproportionate in what sense?  Relative to what?  She thinks Israel's actions are bad but not entirely unjustified or disproportionate given that Palestine is full of terrorists and they camouflage themselves as civilians to bring about more civilian deaths.

This is what she said, I'm sorry it's not a yes or no answer but what it is is a nuanced, thoughtful and realistic answer, the kind of answer we need from a president.

Again, listening to what the actual questions were would help you realize how clearly she was trying to avoid answering them.

She was trying not to give a stupid, simple-minded answer, because she recognizes that these are complicated issues that deserve more thought than Sanders gave them.

You can believe what you want to believe and I'm clearly not going to change your mind, but that is just simply untrue.
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« Reply #180 on: April 14, 2016, 10:22:13 PM »

I get a bad feeling about this with regards to the performance - Hillary is a smart woman, she will be bringing her A Game & could win this debate & big!

You really don't need to play the expectations game with us.  We're not children (mostly), or the media.

Sanders has exceeded my expectation & I thought Clinton got destroyed on foreign policy.

I don't play games with not-so intelligent people.

I thought Clinton will do well & she did okay apart from Foreign policy where she did really bad.

As I said I can't say Sanders was the clear winner & neither did the debate give him the momentum he needed. I am giving an objective assessment - I don't think Sanders did great apart from Foreign policy but Clinton after the 1st half really under-performed otherwise she could have had a win here!
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« Reply #181 on: April 14, 2016, 10:22:22 PM »

The South is a conservative area where the GOP would win - In Blue or Purple states, Sanders is ahead.

Purple states, such as Florida, Nevada, Ohio, Virginia and Iowa?  Even Arizona, Missouri or North Carolina?  Remind me; how did they vote again?

Yes - Including those states Sanders is ahead - Nevada was 5% down & will have more delegates, Missouri was a tie delegate wise, Iowa was a tie & Sanders will probably win that with O Malley's delegates.

You add the delegates - Do the numbers - Her 200 delegate lead is largely down to the Southern states.

NC, Arizona, Missouri are not considered swing states by Politico as of now though NC might become one in the future.

Clinton has a lead of close to 250 from non-winnable Deep Red states which is a lost cause in the GE, Sanders has a much smaller number in red states!

This race would be a close one if Clinton did not that those massive margins in Texas, LA, MS, AL, Georgia, Arkansas, etc


Only fair to ignore Sanders wins in Utah, Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming and Alaska then, right?
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« Reply #182 on: April 14, 2016, 10:22:49 PM »

The South is a conservative area where the GOP would win - In Blue or Purple states, Sanders is ahead.

Purple states, such as Florida, Nevada, Ohio, Virginia and Iowa?  Even Arizona, Missouri or North Carolina?  Remind me; how did they vote again?

Yes - Including those states Sanders is ahead - Nevada was 5% down & will have more delegates, Missouri was a tie delegate wise, Iowa was a tie & Sanders will probably win that with O Malley's delegates.

You add the delegates - Do the numbers - Her 200 delegate lead is largely down to the Southern states.

NC, Arizona, Missouri are not considered swing states by Politico as of now though NC might become one in the future.

Clinton has a lead of close to 250 from non-winnable Deep Red states which is a lost cause in the GE, Sanders has a much smaller number in red states!

This race would be a close one if Clinton did not that those massive margins in Texas, LA, MS, AL, Georgia, Arkansas, etc

Get this through your thick head.

THE PEOPLE VOTING IN THE SOUTH ARE BLACKS, AND WHITE LIBERALS. 
Saying that the South doesn't matter, is saying all of those African Americans don't count.  That their vote is less than that of the white North. 
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« Reply #183 on: April 14, 2016, 10:25:41 PM »

The question on Israel was not a question on policy, it was a question of response. Did she think Israel's actions were disproportionate? That is a yes or no question, to which she avoided in an obvious manner. That was not her response to the $15 question either, so you're just incorrect in that regard.

Disproportionate in what sense?  Relative to what?  She thinks Israel's actions are bad but not entirely unjustified or disproportionate given that Palestine is full of terrorists and they camouflage themselves as civilians to bring about more civilian deaths.

This is what she said, I'm sorry it's not a yes or no answer but what it is is a nuanced, thoughtful and realistic answer, the kind of answer we need from a president.

Again, listening to what the actual questions were would help you realize how clearly she was trying to avoid answering them.

She was trying not to give a stupid, simple-minded answer, because she recognizes that these are complicated issues that deserve more thought than Sanders gave them.

You can believe what you want to believe and I'm clearly not going to change your mind, but that is just simply untrue.

I think the problem is that you go into it expecting to hear her dodge the question, and then as soon as she doesn't give a straightforward answer you say "she dodged it" and shut your ears off, when what's actually happening is she's taking the entire sixty seconds to give her answer.

We've been spoiled by Sanders, who gives a simple answer in the first ten seconds and then fills the remaining 50 seconds with sound bytes and attack lines from his stump speech.
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« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2016, 10:26:57 PM »

The South is a conservative area where the GOP would win - In Blue or Purple states, Sanders is ahead.

Purple states, such as Florida, Nevada, Ohio, Virginia and Iowa?  Even Arizona, Missouri or North Carolina?  Remind me; how did they vote again?

Yes - Including those states Sanders is ahead - Nevada was 5% down & will have more delegates, Missouri was a tie delegate wise, Iowa was a tie & Sanders will probably win that with O Malley's delegates.

You add the delegates - Do the numbers - Her 200 delegate lead is largely down to the Southern states.

NC, Arizona, Missouri are not considered swing states by Politico as of now though NC might become one in the future.

Clinton has a lead of close to 250 from non-winnable Deep Red states which is a lost cause in the GE, Sanders has a much smaller number in red states!

This race would be a close one if Clinton did not that those massive margins in Texas, LA, MS, AL, Georgia, Arkansas, etc

Get this through your thick head.

THE PEOPLE VOTING IN THE SOUTH ARE BLACKS, AND WHITE LIBERALS. 
Saying that the South doesn't matter, is saying all of those African Americans don't count.  That their vote is less than that of the white North. 

Honestly it's no use. It's been pointed out so many times to him and others yet it's always ignored.

To some of them, Blacks votes should be worth three fifths of a pure enlightened Bernie bro vote.
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« Reply #185 on: April 14, 2016, 10:28:04 PM »

Finally we have a pro-Israel candidate in Bernie Sanders who understands that coddling them is not in their interest.
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« Reply #186 on: April 14, 2016, 10:52:35 PM »

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« Reply #187 on: April 14, 2016, 11:25:46 PM »

I get a bad feeling about this with regards to the performance - Hillary is a smart woman, she will be bringing her A Game & could win this debate & big!

You really don't need to play the expectations game with us.  We're not children (mostly), or the media.

Sanders has exceeded my expectation & I thought Clinton got destroyed on foreign policy.

Were you as SHOCKED by this as I?
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« Reply #188 on: April 14, 2016, 11:28:59 PM »

In addition to the more obnoxious points Shadow made in his last post which have already been addressed, this one stuck out to me as well:

NC, Arizona, Missouri are not considered swing states by Politico as of now though NC might become one in the future.

The point is to try to make them swing states again.  Or are you content with holding the Obama states and playing defense?
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« Reply #189 on: April 14, 2016, 11:41:12 PM »

Arizona, North Carolina, Indiana and Missouri all have potentially winnable Senate races as well. Democrats chances of winning the Senate would increase dramatically if they could pick off just one of those seats.
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« Reply #190 on: April 15, 2016, 01:11:21 AM »

NC, Arizona, Missouri are not considered swing states by Politico as of now though NC might become one in the future.

The point is to try to make them swing states again.  Or are you content with holding the Obama states and playing defense?

Seriously Joe, why waste time and energy responding to an obvious troll/sock.
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« Reply #191 on: April 15, 2016, 04:25:07 AM »

I thought it was funny that Sanders called Clinton racist and Clinton didn't even say anything back. We may have reached a point where we've called people racist so much that it's lost its value as an insult.

Also, Clinton bringing up abortion was laughably lame. Why haven't you asked a question about abortion? Why haven't you asked a question about slavery? Why haven't you asked a question about women being able to vote?
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