Ted Cruz vs Bernie Sanders

[EliteLX]

No, no maps.. just the fact this would be a beautiful thing from political perspective. Core neo-right values argued from an intelligent sensible genuine man vs core neo-left values argued from an intelligent sensible genuine man as well. I think it'd be exciting for us political geeks, regardless of nomination/candidate preference.

Anyone else?

ITT: Upset Hillbots.

[Lief 🗽]

Neither of these two are intelligent or sensible rofl

[Pyro]

Historically speaking, it would definitely be a fun one to talk about.
I'm just glad that we're not forced to deal with the 'Clinton Vs. Bush' rerun like some of us thought.

[EliteLX]

Neither of these two are intelligent or sensible rofl

Your butthurt is showing. :~)

Ted, to begin, is a moon and back more intelligent than you or I will ever be. Intelligence != disliking a person's social or economic views.

Historically speaking, it would definitely be a fun one to talk about.
I'm just glad that we're not forced to deal with the 'Clinton Vs. Bush' rerun like some of us thought.

I'd agree, yes.

[Asian Nazi]

Reported for low energy trolling

[Lief 🗽]

I don't know what idiots you pal around with but I don't hang out with economic illiterates who think the gold standard is good or that the banking industry needs to be destroyed.

[Clark Kent]

Neither of these two areComrade Sanders is not intelligent or sensible rofl

[EliteLX]

I don't know what idiots you pal around with but I don't hang out with economic illiterates who think the gold standard is good or that the banking industry needs to be destroyed.

Gold standard is ridiculous, doesn't counter general intelligence. I'm pretty sure positive you have many outlandish ideas of your own. This is also heading off topic, seeings as how it's referring to stirring American politics back away from the political dynasties we enjoy and the people's voice coming on back.

Ted exposes neo-conservative voices & Bernie exposes neo-liberal ideas. Also, is avoiding the quote button boosting that oozing ego of yours or am I mistaken buddy.

[Bismarck]

I agree that it'd be a fun issue focused election. It'd be really interesting to see how it played out.

[bobloblaw]

I don't know what idiots you pal around with but I don't hang out with economic illiterates who think the gold standard is good or that the banking industry needs to be destroyed.

Only a fool thinks the Fed has done a good job since 1913. The Fed is the ultimate in central planning. They caused the Great Depression, the 1970s inflation, the Dot.com bust and the housing bust. The fundamental principal of the Fed is that educated well intentioned men are smarter than money markets.

[pho]

What exactly are the neo-left and neo-right?

[EliteLX]

There are people who think Sanders is a socialist or even a Stalinist? LOL

Not sure if this is referring to me or not! I claimed him to be a neo-liberal, not a Stalinist, friend.

What exactly are the neo-left and neo-right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

By neo-liberalism I mean the PC movement, young western embracement of drifting left fiscal policy, .etc. Policy preference moving further that way.

[Helsinkian]

By neo-liberalism I mean the PC movement, young western embracement of drifting left fiscal policy, .etc. Policy preference moving further that way.

You can of course advocate for a novel usage of terms, but that is not the way most people define neoliberalism. Quite the opposite, by neoliberalism one usually means unfettered laissez-faire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

[pho]

What exactly are the neo-left and neo-right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

By neo-liberalism I mean the PC movement, young western embracement of drifting left fiscal policy, .etc. Policy preference moving further that way.
[/quote]

I'm not sure Cruz qualifies as a neocon. Cruz isn't pro-immigration as a matter of business interests or particularly militarist (even with the whole "carpet bomb" ISIS bit). He also voted for less surveillance. I'm not sure what his thoughts are on globalism, or if he has any, but I would guess they are more in line with the nationalist persuasion. If anything, he is vaguely paleocon.

I also don't see Sanders as a a product of modern liberalism, he has been repeating the same stump speech for over 40 years now. The generational gap between Sanders' populist economy-centric liberalism and the identity based politics of modern liberalism is part of the reason Sanders can't move the needle with minority groups.

[EliteLX]

By neo-liberalism I mean the PC movement, young western embracement of drifting left fiscal policy, .etc. Policy preference moving further that way.

You can of course advocate for a novel usage of terms, but that is not the way most people define neoliberalism. Quite the opposite, by neoliberalism one usually means unfettered laissez-faire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Right, that's why I avoided linking to a wikipedia article for it to avoid confusion.

Apologies.

I'm not sure Cruz qualifies as a neocon. Cruz isn't pro-immigration as a matter of business interests or particularly militarist (even with the whole "carpet bomb" ISIS bit). He also voted for less surveillance. I'm not sure what his thoughts are on globalism, or if he has any, but I would guess they are more in line with the nationalist persuasion. If anything, he is vaguely paleocon.

I also don't see Sanders as a a product of modern liberalism, he has been repeating the same stump speech for over 40 years now. The generational gap between Sanders' populist economy-centric liberalism and the identity based politics of modern liberalism is part of the reason Sanders can't move the needle with minority groups.

I'd argue Cruz is most certainly a strong advocate of aggressive interventionism under the GOP umbrella of "peace through strength". You have a fine argument with NSA and surveillance, I've actually always been surprised by his positions there. Most definitely a separation from the neocon movement.

Well, I think Sanders just so happens to have had modern liberalism move towards him, and not vice versa. His campaign policy would be completely off the wall and a laughing stock of American politics in the 80's or what not. The American left is getting more comfortable making moves towards the European left. Millennials are empowering a new wave of progressive ideas & opinions, thus what I meant when I said "neo-liberals".