Is Kasich the Huntsman of 2016?

[retromike22]

He seems a bit too reasonable (compared with most of the others).

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kasich-on-gay-marriage-the-court-has-ruled-and-its-time-to-move-on/

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

No, he still fits enough Conservative bona fides. He has much more in common with Romney or Dole.

[ShadowRocket]

No, he still fits enough Conservative bona fides. He has much more in common with Romney or Dole.

I agree. The Obama association and a poor campaign is what hurt Huntsman more than anything else.

[JonathanSwift]

No, he's more like the Pawlenty of 2016, I think. Slavic Midwestern Governor who is rated highly by pundits, but fails to gain much traction with actual voters.

[WVdemocrat]

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Obscure film reference aside, Kasich will be worshiped by beltway pundits as the Great Moderate Savior, but he will struggle to get above 2% anywhere. He will flop, just like Huntsman and Pawlenty before him.

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[Suburbia]

No, he has real conservative appeal. If Walker or Bush fade by October/November 2015, I could see him rising to the top tier.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Huntsman came from a small state that would go for the GOP no matter what.  Kasich comes from a swing state that would likely go GOP if he were on the ticket.  His conservative bona fides are in order, as others have said.  I think he's the most electable of all the GOP candidates, but he won't get any traction until more GOP rank and file begin to see evidence of this.

[Mister Mets]

One of Huntsman's problems was that he didn't like the base voter, and let them know it. So Kasich isn't doing that.

However, an underrated problem of Huntsman's is that he had overlapping support with the frontrunner. He might have done better if not for the other mormon businessman turned Governor with a centrist reputation. Kasich's going to have to impress the people who already know and like Jeb Bush, the other sixty-something swing state Governor with a long record in politics.

[Likely Voter]

I think Kasich has a lot of potential. He is really a better version of what Chris Christie was supposed to be. He is just as popular as Christie was but he could actually deliver his state (which also went for Obama twice). He has crossover appeal but doesn't seem to piss off the base so much. He has that authenticity and tough talk thing but comes off more likable and less bully-like. And of course his staff isn't under indictment for political corruption.

But he has huge obstacles. He has to figure out how to get enough notice to get in the debates, and he has to raise a lot of money to take on Bush, his main opponent.

I'm still convinced that the GOP's best hope for 2012 is Kasich/Rubio, and I suspect a good few of the members of the smoke-filled room of GOP elites probably agree. But can they figure out a way for him to get noticed and get past Bush?

[RR1997]

Hopefully not

Kasich comes from a critical swing state (unlike Huntsman) and plus he's not as moderate as Huntsman (Kasich will probably appeal to the base more), so Kasich is probably not the next Huntsman.

[Vega]

No, that goes to George Pataki.

[Horsemask]

At this point, I hope not. I supported Huntsman in 2012 and I like Kasich (though he's not my first choice), I don't want Kasich's campaign to fizzle out like Huntsman's.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

No, that goes to George Pataki.

George Pataki will attract about as much support as Huntsman did after he dropped out.

[okierepublican]

Kasich has enough conservative bonafides he supports a balanced budget amendment for example to not make the conservative base hate him. Like someone else said, it was the Obama ambassador post which hurt huntsman the most in my opinion.

[TJ in Oregon]

Kasich has enough conservative bonafides he supports a balanced budget amendment for example to not make the conservative base hate him. Like someone else said, it was the Obama ambassador post which hurt huntsman the most in my opinion.

Huntsman's debate performances are what hurt him the most. He spent a sizable fraction of his allotted time taking swings at conservatives that did not come off remotely like constructive criticism. You do not typically convince many voters by insulting them. It's just not the way to make friends. I can't see Kasich repeating those mistakes.

[Thunderbird is the word]

No, he still fits enough Conservative bona fides. He has much more in common with Romney or Dole.

Huntsman was pretty conservative himself. Apparently denying reality (climate change) is a tenant of modern conservatism.

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No, he still fits enough Conservative bona fides. He has much more in common with Romney or Dole.

Huntsman was pretty conservative himself. Apparently denying reality (climate change) is a tenant of modern conservatism.

This. The idea that Huntsman was a moderate because he didn't come across as a total raving lunatic is absurd.

[retromike22]

Somebody stole my thought:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/2016-john-kasich-119774.html?hp=m1#.VZtYTflViko

[Suburbia]

Somebody stole my thought:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/2016-john-kasich-119774.html?hp=m1#.VZtYTflViko

I don't think so. Kasich is more conservative than Huntsman.

[Bull Moose Base]

Somebody stole my thought:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/2016-john-kasich-119774.html?hp=m1#.VZtYTflViko

I don't think so. Kasich is more conservative than Huntsman.

For example?

[Torie]

Kasich has enough conservative bonafides he supports a balanced budget amendment for example to not make the conservative base hate him. Like someone else said, it was the Obama ambassador post which hurt huntsman the most in my opinion.

Huntsman's debate performances are what hurt him the most. He spent a sizable fraction of his allotted time taking swings at conservatives that did not come off remotely like constructive criticism. You do not typically convince many voters by insulting them. It's just not the way to make friends. I can't see Kasich repeating those mistakes.

This, and also I don't think Huntsman really projected a command of the issues, and the policy choices to be made, and the basis for his choices. He just did not make his case very effectively. I was a probable Huntsman supporter myself, until I was put off by what I perceived as his lack of depth.

This forum in general I think overemphasizes ideology, and underemphasizes personal qualities, such as a good temperament, good judgment, and depth of knowledge. One never knows what issues will emerge in the future, and often what is the best policy choice is less about ideology, and more about having good judgment and knowledge, and being able to think things through clearly, and understand and parse/properly weigh the competing considerations.

[Bull Moose Base]

Kasich has enough conservative bonafides he supports a balanced budget amendment for example to not make the conservative base hate him. Like someone else said, it was the Obama ambassador post which hurt huntsman the most in my opinion.

Huntsman's debate performances are what hurt him the most. He spent a sizable fraction of his allotted time taking swings at conservatives that did not come off remotely like constructive criticism. You do not typically convince many voters by insulting them. It's just not the way to make friends. I can't see Kasich repeating those mistakes.

This, and also I don't think Huntsman really projected a command of the issues, and the policy choices to be made, and the basis for his choices. He just did not make his case very effectively. I was a probable Huntsman supporter myself, until I was put off by what I perceived as his lack of depth.

This forum in general I think overemphasizes ideology, and underemphasizes personal qualities, such as a good temperament, good judgment, and depth of knowledge. One never knows what issues will emerge in the future, and often what is the best policy choice is less about ideology, and more about having good judgment and knowledge, and being able to think things through clearly, and understand and parse/properly weigh the competing considerations.

…as judged by the party that nominated George W Bush, loved Sarah Palin upon her debut and gave Herman Cain polling leads after watching a couple months of debates.

[Famous Mortimer]

Huntsman, as much as Democrats love, him was not a smart guy. He took a job from Obama then ran for the Republican nomination. That's seriously dumb. As dumb as anything Palin has ever did.

[Kingpoleon]

Kasich has enough conservative bonafides he supports a balanced budget amendment for example to not make the conservative base hate him. Like someone else said, it was the Obama ambassador post which hurt huntsman the most in my opinion.

Huntsman's debate performances are what hurt him the most. He spent a sizable fraction of his allotted time taking swings at conservatives that did not come off remotely like constructive criticism. You do not typically convince many voters by insulting them. It's just not the way to make friends. I can't see Kasich repeating those mistakes.

This, and also I don't think Huntsman really projected a command of the issues, and the policy choices to be made, and the basis for his choices. He just did not make his case very effectively. I was a probable Huntsman supporter myself, until I was put off by what I perceived as his lack of depth.

This forum in general I think overemphasizes ideology, and underemphasizes personal qualities, such as a good temperament, good judgment, and depth of knowledge. One never knows what issues will emerge in the future, and often what is the best policy choice is less about ideology, and more about having good judgment and knowledge, and being able to think things through clearly, and understand and parse/properly weigh the competing considerations.

Kasich is honest, without Christie's Northeastern edge. He tells it like it is, goes off script, and punches the establishment enough to get the conservative voter to say: "Wow! I disagree with him on here and here, but this is standing up to everyone and fighting off everyone without needing to personally insult them."

Kasich is an non-divisive choice: libertarians, watch his social moderate stances. Conservatives, he's given the biggest tax cuts in the country($2 billion) and was the main artichect of a balanced budget. He worked with Clinton, independents.

Kasich has Bush's experience, Christie's honesty, Paul's independent appeal and foreign policy, Rubio's charisma, and Huckabee's empathy without their drawbacks.

He's beating Hillary Clinton in Ohio 47-40. Pulling that 87% to 100% gives him an eight-point lead: 54-46! In Ohio!


If his announcement spike works, he is the most impressive in the debates.





Primary Downsides:

- Low name recognition
- Huntsman & Lieberman endorsement
- Hurtful style to a few
- Refuses to spend time attacking opponents, Democrat and Republican
- Moderate
- Anti-Establishment