Perry calls Charleston shootings an "accident", then backtracks

[Mr. Morden]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/national-politics/20150619-perry-calls-charleston-shootings-an-accident.ece

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[SteveRogers]

He's still got it!

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

He's still got it!

[136or142]

This is something else Perry should have forgotten to say.

Later in the interview, or in a separate interview he also said psychiatric drugs were possibly to blame.

"Said Perry: “I don’t know, but I think the facts—once we get them—there were more people than that killed in Paris. This was a crime of hate, we know that.”

But Perry continued: “It seems to me, again without having all the details about this, that these individuals have been medicated and there may be a real issue in this country from the standpoint of these drugs and how they’re used.”"

I can only guess that 'psychiatric drugs' is the new spelling for g-u-n-s and/or for r-a-c-i-s-m.

For what it's worth, the most recent likely credible evidence actually suggests that people who have both a mental illness and violent tendencies are far more likely to become violent if they aren't on a psychiatric medication than if they are.

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156

Of course, for a specific individual with a mental illness they may have a violent reaction to a specific psychiatric drug but that obviously isn't the case here as this was according to reports a planned killing.

[Maxwell]

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[Donald Trump 2016 !]

BUT HE'S WEARING GLASSES NOW. HE MUST BE SMART.

[136or142]

From a post on politicalwire.com

Statetheobvious  an hour ago
Legislate and restrict drugs because... dangerous!

Let any idiot have all the guns he wants because... freedom!

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The Republicans will use any incident/accident whatsoever to find an excuse for blaming Obama for something.

Perry is right, the Dems probably will use this incident to advance race relations/gun control agendas, but that's because they should be advanced.

[Fuzzy Bear]

This is something else Perry should have forgotten to say.

Later in the interview, or in a separate interview he also said psychiatric drugs were possibly to blame.

"Said Perry: “I don’t know, but I think the facts—once we get them—there were more people than that killed in Paris. This was a crime of hate, we know that.”

But Perry continued: “It seems to me, again without having all the details about this, that these individuals have been medicated and there may be a real issue in this country from the standpoint of these drugs and how they’re used.”"

I can only guess that 'psychiatric drugs' is the new spelling for g-u-n-s and/or for r-a-c-i-s-m.

For what it's worth, the most recent likely credible evidence actually suggests that people who have both a mental illness and violent tendencies are far more likely to become violent if they aren't on a psychiatric medication than if they are.

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156

Of course, for a specific individual with a mental illness they may have a violent reaction to a specific psychiatric drug but that obviously isn't the case here as this was according to reports a planned killing.

The "drugs" issue, and the surrounding ignorance of that issue, is an issue that touches my family.

I have a 9 year old son; a grandson that my wife and I have adopted.  Without his ADHD medication, he would simply NOT be able to pay attention in school enough succeed.  Been there, done that, results were terrible.  Yet people still run their mouth as to how the drugs are the problem

My son's birth mother has significant mental health issues.  After years of discussions, I, and other family members, were finally able to persuade her to regularly see her psychiatrist and remain compliant with prescribed regimens.  Yet I still here people (behind my back, of course) make statements to the effect that the problem is that she is "doped up". 

These medications don't change people's THOUGHTS.  They regulate moods and emotions to where folks who need them can function with less emotional distraction, but they do not change people's thinking.  Rick Perry, the imbecile, needs to think about (A) the fact that many people who are "on meds" have problems because they are non-compliant with the regimen and NOT taking them, even when they are prescribed, and (B) this kid in Charleston acted out because of his THOUGHTS (not his moods and not his addictions) which, apparently, went unchecked.  This kid fed his mind regularly with twisted racist stuff and had twisted, delusional thinking about the "solutions" to the "problem".  Psychotropic meds don't make these delusional thoughts go away; they help, but that's not their purpose.

Of course, this kid wouldn't have had those meds if he wasn't on his parents' health plan, which was made possible through the AHCA.  Perhaps that's how Perry plans to blame Obama for this.  Nice!  The right wing had a better response to MLK's assassination than the clown car of today has for this incident.

[Torie]

Well now we know that Perry knows obviously nothing about psychosis and its treatment, including the absolute necessity of drug taking regimens to try to control its symptoms, including acts of violence. He's one of those guys who just mouths off without bothering to educate himself first. This speculation of his is particularly ludicrous, since the precise opposite of what he is suggesting is true.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Well now we know that Perry knows obviously nothing about psychosis and its treatment, including the absolute necessity of drug taking regimens to try to control its symptoms, including acts of violence. He's one of those guys who just mouths off without bothering to educate himself first. This speculation of his is particular ludicrous, since the precise opposite of what he is suggesting is true.

While channel surfing last night, I turned on HANNITY and listened to the discussion for about 10 minutes.  He suggested that "we need to look at these drugs" to see if they played a role, and his guests (whose names I forget, but one of them was a Dallas pastor) were chiming in and going with that flow.  I assure you that the Clown Car occupants have prepared enough Kool Aid for the masses to quench their thirst on this issue.

[Torie]

Well now we know that Perry knows obviously nothing about psychosis and its treatment, including the absolute necessity of drug taking regimens to try to control its symptoms, including acts of violence. He's one of those guys who just mouths off without bothering to educate himself first. This speculation of his is particular ludicrous, since the precise opposite of what he is suggesting is true.

While channel surfing last night, I turned on HANNITY and listened to the discussion for about 10 minutes.  He suggested that "we need to look at these drugs" to see if they played a role, and his guests (whose names I forget, but one of them was a Dallas pastor) were chiming in and going with that flow.  I assure you that the Clown Car occupants have prepared enough Kool Aid for the masses to quench their thirst on this issue.

I guess they don't have psychotic relatives, who have lived with them, enabling them to observe all of this in action up close and personal, and certainly have not taken NAMI classes. One hopes this does not encourage anyone to cease taking meds, or encourage others including their loved ones, not to do so. That would be tragic.

[pbrower2a]

Why don't high-profile pols quit commenting on news events until the facts are in? I know that it is tempting to turn any horrible news event into fodder for some temporary gain in approval or opportunity to push some agenda. Wise people know enough to get their facts straight. Such exposes something about Rick Perry, and what appears is unflattering.

Nine people are dead in what should be the safest place in America because that place is the House of the Lord. Individual racism, a gun, and mental instability so far seem parts of the story.

This very old, historically-black church (more specifically its congregation) has long aided black people in dealing with the racist cruelties of white people. Here the alleged shooter might have had a chance to counter his racism instead of seeing black people as The Enemy, a stereotype of incompetence and depravity. 

...The presumption of innocence is a fact, so let us remember the critical words "if guilty as charged".

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why don't high-profile pols quit commenting on news events until the facts are in? I know that it is tempting to turn any horrible news event into fodder for some temporary gain in approval or opportunity to push some agenda. Wise people know enough to get their facts straight. Such exposes something about Rick Perry, and what appears is unflattering.

Nine people are dead in what should be the safest place in America because that place is the House of the Lord. Individual racism, a gun, and mental instability so far seem parts of the story.

This very old, historically-black church (more specifically its congregation) has long aided black people in dealing with the racist cruelties of white people. Here the alleged shooter might have had a chance to counter his racism instead of seeing black people as The Enemy, a stereotype of incompetence and depravity. 

...The presumption of innocence is a fact, so let us remember the critical words "if guilty as charged".

Is it a fact that it's mainly the second and third tier candidates weighing in with theories?

I mean, Rick Perry is desperate to make any kind of noise he can to get some traction.

[pbrower2a]

Why don't high-profile pols quit commenting on news events until the facts are in? I know that it is tempting to turn any horrible news event into fodder for some temporary gain in approval or opportunity to push some agenda. Wise people know enough to get their facts straight. Such exposes something about Rick Perry, and what appears is unflattering.

Nine people are dead in what should be the safest place in America because that place is the House of the Lord. Individual racism, a gun, and mental instability so far seem parts of the story.

This very old, historically-black church (more specifically its congregation) has long aided black people in dealing with the racist cruelties of white people. Here the alleged shooter might have had a chance to counter his racism instead of seeing black people as The Enemy, a stereotype of incompetence and depravity. 

...The presumption of innocence is a fact, so let us remember the critical words "if guilty as charged".

Is it a fact that it's mainly the second and third tier candidates weighing in with theories?

I mean, Rick Perry is desperate to make any kind of noise he can to get some traction.

Rick Perry is obviously a second-rate or third-rate pol who would be a sick joke if President. 

[136or142]

This is something else Perry should have forgotten to say.

Later in the interview, or in a separate interview he also said psychiatric drugs were possibly to blame.

"Said Perry: “I don’t know, but I think the facts—once we get them—there were more people than that killed in Paris. This was a crime of hate, we know that.”

But Perry continued: “It seems to me, again without having all the details about this, that these individuals have been medicated and there may be a real issue in this country from the standpoint of these drugs and how they’re used.”"

I can only guess that 'psychiatric drugs' is the new spelling for g-u-n-s and/or for r-a-c-i-s-m.

For what it's worth, the most recent likely credible evidence actually suggests that people who have both a mental illness and violent tendencies are far more likely to become violent if they aren't on a psychiatric medication than if they are.

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156

Of course, for a specific individual with a mental illness they may have a violent reaction to a specific psychiatric drug but that obviously isn't the case here as this was according to reports a planned killing.

The "drugs" issue, and the surrounding ignorance of that issue, is an issue that touches my family.

I have a 9 year old son; a grandson that my wife and I have adopted.  Without his ADHD medication, he would simply NOT be able to pay attention in school enough succeed.  Been there, done that, results were terrible.  Yet people still run their mouth as to how the drugs are the problem

My son's birth mother has significant mental health issues.  After years of discussions, I, and other family members, were finally able to persuade her to regularly see her psychiatrist and remain compliant with prescribed regimens.  Yet I still here people (behind my back, of course) make statements to the effect that the problem is that she is "doped up".  

These medications don't change people's THOUGHTS.  They regulate moods and emotions to where folks who need them can function with less emotional distraction, but they do not change people's thinking.  Rick Perry, the imbecile, needs to think about (A) the fact that many people who are "on meds" have problems because they are non-compliant with the regimen and NOT taking them, even when they are prescribed, and (B) this kid in Charleston acted out because of his THOUGHTS (not his moods and not his addictions) which, apparently, went unchecked.  This kid fed his mind regularly with twisted racist stuff and had twisted, delusional thinking about the "solutions" to the "problem".  Psychotropic meds don't make these delusional thoughts go away; they help, but that's not their purpose.

Of course, this kid wouldn't have had those meds if he wasn't on his parents' health plan, which was made possible through the AHCA.  Perhaps that's how Perry plans to blame Obama for this.  Nice!  The right wing had a better response to MLK's assassination than the clown car of today has for this incident.

I sympathize with your situation.

A couple points though.

I agree that many young kids are helped by ADHD medications, but I also think there is no question that they are over prescribed.  Many activities by pre teens and early teens that used to be considered normal (they like to run around a lot!) are now considered by some to be ADHD and many child psychiatrists prescribe them medication to treat this absolutely normal behavior.  

I'm not sure that psychiatric drugs can't put thoughts into people's heads, or at least, increase the frequency of those thoughts. It is well established that suicide ideation for some older teens does increase once they are placed on psychiatric drugs, at least initially.

So, it's reasonable to think that for some individuals with mental disorders who are prone to violence that giving them a specific anti psychotic drug may increase their violent tendencies. This is completely overwhelmed though by the vast numbers of those people who decrease their violent tendencies when placed on an anti psychotic.

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As a long suffering dimwitted listener of Coast to Coast AM, I found it more than a little amusing after whining to lying scum John Lott about people using this incident to politically attack guns, host George Noory followed up lying scum Lott with outdated scum Peter Breggin to talk about the negative effects of psychiatric drugs and the role they must have played in this incident.

The reason right wing gasbags are trying to shine the spotlight on psychiatric drugs has nothing to do with their concerns over them, given that they almost certainly know nothing about psychiatric drugs,  but is an obvious attempt to deflect attention from the places it should be after this incident: the role guns and racism played in this.

[user12345]

We need to backtrack let's say, about 66 years and give his mother some birth control.

[IceSpear]

Oops?

[Mr. Reactionary]

Some times I think the Amurican People don't know which Rick Perry thur dealin with. Is it the Rick Perry that was against sayin it was an accident befar he was far sayin it was an accident from the standpoint of he's gonna stand up against sayin it was an accident? I mean, we'll wait until tomorra and see which Rick Perry we're dealin with.

[IceSpear]

Some times I think the Amurican People don't know which Rick Perry thur dealin with. Is it the Rick Perry that was against sayin it was an accident befar he was far sayin it was an accident from the standpoint of he's gonna stand up against sayin it was an accident? I mean, we'll wait until tomorra and see which Rick Perry we're dealin with.

That one didn't get nearly as much attention as "oops" did, but it was probably even worse. At least oops could be passed off as momentary brain freeze, that one just made him look incoherent and completely retarded.

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