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« on: April 19, 2005, 09:43:07 PM »

The Weekly Standard collects the CW on the new pope. Highlights:

The Patty and Selma of the mainstream media give the gist of recent reportage:

"Hard-liner Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected the leader of the world's one billion Roman Catholics after the conclave of 115 Cardinals ended Tuesday evening."
--Newsweek

"Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, a hard-line guardian of conservative doctrine, was elected the new pope Tuesday evening in the first conclave of the new millennium."
--MSNBC

But the true award for bigotry pretending to be a newscast comes from Reuters:

"German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the strict defender of Catholic orthodoxy for the past 23 years, was elected Pope on Tuesday despite a widespread assumption he was too old and divisive to win election."
--Reuters

From the media reports, you'd have thought the cardinals elected Dick Cheney as pope
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2005, 09:44:56 PM »

From the media reports, you'd have thought the cardinals elected Dick Cheney as pope

That sounds like a genuinely good idea actually.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2005, 10:19:58 PM »

"This new Pope is the greatest thing to happen to the Episcopalian Church since the 17th Century." - another forum

Best thing for us too, since we are the largest and primary "Catholic-lite" denomination in the Midwest. Hell yeah.
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2005, 11:38:15 PM »

From the media reports, you'd have thought the cardinals elected Dick Cheney as pope

That sounds like a genuinely good idea actually.

"I'd make a great Pope."

-Richard M. Nixon

An actual quote, no sh**tting.  He's probably right, aside from being a felon and a Qauker.  And other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2005, 12:43:09 AM »

"This new Pope is the greatest thing to happen to the Episcopalian Church since the 17th Century." - another forum

Best thing for us too, since we are the largest and primary "Catholic-lite" denomination in the Midwest. Hell yeah.

I suppose the Episcopal Church may gain enough disaffected Catholics to make up for what it will lose when the schism with the Anglican Communion occurs.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2005, 01:48:57 AM »

"This new Pope is the greatest thing to happen to the Episcopalian Church since the 17th Century." - another forum

Best thing for us too, since we are the largest and primary "Catholic-lite" denomination in the Midwest. Hell yeah.

I suppose the Episcopal Church may gain enough disaffected Catholics to make up for what it will lose when the schism with the Anglican Communion occurs.

There are those of us in the current American branch of the Anglican Communion who are not too happy about a foreign group of bishops attempting to tell us what to do.  The should remember what happened the last time.  ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2005, 04:03:06 PM »

The Weekly Standard collects the CW on the new pope. Highlights:

The Patty and Selma of the mainstream media give the gist of recent reportage:

"Hard-liner Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected the leader of the world's one billion Roman Catholics after the conclave of 115 Cardinals ended Tuesday evening."
--Newsweek

"Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, a hard-line guardian of conservative doctrine, was elected the new pope Tuesday evening in the first conclave of the new millennium."
--MSNBC

But the true award for bigotry pretending to be a newscast comes from Reuters:

"German Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the strict defender of Catholic orthodoxy for the past 23 years, was elected Pope on Tuesday despite a widespread assumption he was too old and divisive to win election."
--Reuters

What's wrong with these news reports?  They're quite accurate.  It isn't fair to expect educated secularists to talk about a medeival oppressive organization as if it is a good thing.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2005, 08:18:45 AM »

Nothing wrong with quotes one and two. Quote two is commentary dressed up as reporting, which I detest wherever I see it (in the established media...I got no problem with it here on this forum). Ope, if you see nothing wrong with quote three you've been watching too much FOX lately. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2005, 01:25:19 PM »

The (non ranting moonbat) leftist response to Ratzinger's election comes from the Guardian--it's one of the few coherent opinions expressed in that paper.

The article is long, so I won't cut-and-paste it here. I will say, however, that the Catholic Church would be idiotic if it took missionary advice from the Guardian, a primary vehicle of faithless and secular opinion in Europe. The idea of a radical, economically Marxist, Latin American pope somehow leading a revival of the church among young Europeans is particularly daft. Young European radicals (there seems to be too  many of them) can find their ideology presented in a sexier format than an ancient theocratic monarchy.

From the article:

"[By 2015] This Europe would probably be more Islamic than now in its poorer parts, and more secular than ever in its richer ones"

I think, by then, all of Europe would be more Islamic: the poor areas by choice, and the rich areas by intimidation and colonization



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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2005, 01:50:28 PM »


"[By 2015] This Europe would probably be more Islamic than now in its poorer parts, and more secular than ever in its richer ones"

I think, by then, all of Europe would be more Islamic: the poor areas by choice, and the rich areas by intimidation and colonization


in the worst case, around 10-15% of EU25 population would be muslim by 2015, most likely the muslim population will be around 5-7%
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2005, 04:02:14 PM »


"[By 2015] This Europe would probably be more Islamic than now in its poorer parts, and more secular than ever in its richer ones"

I think, by then, all of Europe would be more Islamic: the poor areas by choice, and the rich areas by intimidation and colonization


in the worst case, around 10-15% of EU25 population would be muslim by 2015, most likely the muslim population will be around 5-7%

Ragnar- You might wish to check out UN estimates regarding population demographics. Europe will be a Muslim continent well before this century is three-quarters over at current birth rates and immigration. In fact, France will have a Muslim majority within 25 years.

would you be so kind to post some links please.
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