Jerry Patterson: I won't vote for Dan Patrick in November

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Patterson is hammering Patrick but is undecided on whether or not to endorse Dewhurst. Staples is staying neutral in the LiteGuv runoff.

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If this is reflective of the RPT and Republic pols' view of Dan Patrick, it could create serious problems for a Patrick candidacy.

Honestly, I would not be surprised at all if a couple of the more moderate Senate Republicans endorsed Van de Putte in that race. (Especially John Carona, since he lost his primary and won't be back next year anyway.)

Rick Perry isn't going to lift a finger to help him either. The two very obviously disagree on how illegal immigrants should be treated in Texas and since Perry is delusional enough to think he can actually run for president again, he's not going to give his blessing to someone as controversial as Dan Patrick who could come back to haunt him in a national race.

The Democrats have their opening. It's not a very good one but it's the best one they've had in some time and it's the best one they'll get this year. The prize isn't the Mansion. It's the State Senate. A Democratic LiteGuv would be a tremendous check on the Tea Party's power in a much more conservative State Senate (Carona and Davis are going to be replaced by Tea Partiers; Deuell might be as well; Dan Patrick will be succeeded by the equally nutty former tax assessor Paul Bettencourt).

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Patterson absolutely had the most integrity of the four men in that primary.


Personally I believe if we get Van De Putte we get Davis (though Davis' margin will be smaller). But considering the FL-13 results nobody should listen to my predictions.

[TX Conservative Dem]

What about Staples ? Who's he gonna endorse in the runoff ?

[jimrtex]

What about Staples ? Who's he gonna endorse in the runoff ?

He said that he was not going to endorse anyone.

And added that no one would hold against Dewhurst if he decided not to run.

The problem for both Staples and Patterson was that they were running against an incumbent of their party.  They got tired of waiting for Dewhurst to move on.

[hopper]

I hope Patrick won't win due to his rhetoric directed at the Hispanic Community. I mean  illegal alien invasion comments were totally out of place in terms of rhetoric. I think Tea Partiers winning in Texas at the state level might have something to do with "The Ground Game that Ted Cruz Built".

[TX Conservative Dem]

Staples should have STAYED PUT and sought reelection as Agriculture Commissioner instead of getting cold-cocked in the Lieutenant Governor's race.

[jimrtex]

Staples should have STAYED PUT and sought reelection as Agriculture Commissioner instead of getting cold-cocked in the Lieutenant Governor's race.

The Ag Commissioner has always been considered a stepping-stone office, just like land commissioner, and comptroller, and treasurer, before it was realized that we didn't actually need a treasurer.  Even Supreme Court justices switch over to the executive branch.

Perry and Combs were ag commissioner.  Combs finally said she was going to run for comptroller, and didn't care what Carole of the Many Names decided to do - she finally decided to run for governor.  Dewhurst was land commissioner.  But because Perry and Dewhurst stuck around so long, it clocked the opportunities for advancement.  Staples and Patterson probably hoped that Dewhurst would have been elected to the senate, since that would have made the lieutenant governorship open this year.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Staples should have STAYED PUT and sought reelection as Agriculture Commissioner instead of getting cold-cocked in the Lieutenant Governor's race.

The Ag Commissioner has always been considered a stepping-stone office, just like land commissioner, and comptroller, and treasurer, before it was realized that we didn't actually need a treasurer.  Even Supreme Court justices switch over to the executive branch.

Perry and Combs were ag commissioner.  Combs finally said she was going to run for comptroller, and didn't care what Carole of the Many Names decided to do - she finally decided to run for governor.  Dewhurst was land commissioner.  But because Perry and Dewhurst stuck around so long, it clocked the opportunities for advancement.  Staples and Patterson probably hoped that Dewhurst would have been elected to the senate, since that would have made the lieutenant governorship open this year.

Rick Perry: Ag Comm --> LiteGuv --> Governor
George W. Bush: Governor
Ann Richards: Treasurer --> Governor
Bill Clements: Governor
Mark White: Attorney General --> Governor
Bill Clements: Governor
Dolph Briscoe: Governor
Preston Smith: LiteGuv --> Governor
John Connally: Governor
Price Daniel: State House Speaker --> US Senator --> Governor

Notice there is a strict separation between state and federal office holders. Other than Price Daniel, you don't see Senators getting elected Governor (RIP Kay Bailey Hutchison for Governor) or vice versa.

No congressmen move up to statewide office, likely because they lack the name recognition you need in such a big state.

[jimrtex]

Staples should have STAYED PUT and sought reelection as Agriculture Commissioner instead of getting cold-cocked in the Lieutenant Governor's race.

The Ag Commissioner has always been considered a stepping-stone office, just like land commissioner, and comptroller, and treasurer, before it was realized that we didn't actually need a treasurer.  Even Supreme Court justices switch over to the executive branch.

Perry and Combs were ag commissioner.  Combs finally said she was going to run for comptroller, and didn't care what Carole of the Many Names decided to do - she finally decided to run for governor.  Dewhurst was land commissioner.  But because Perry and Dewhurst stuck around so long, it clocked the opportunities for advancement.  Staples and Patterson probably hoped that Dewhurst would have been elected to the senate, since that would have made the lieutenant governorship open this year.

Rick Perry: Ag Comm --> LiteGuv --> Governor
George W. Bush: Governor
Ann Richards: Treasurer --> Governor
Bill Clements: Governor
Mark White: Attorney General --> Governor
Bill Clements: Governor
Dolph Briscoe: Governor
Preston Smith: LiteGuv --> Governor
John Connally: Governor
Price Daniel: State House Speaker --> US Senator --> Governor

Notice there is a strict separation between state and federal office holders. Other than Price Daniel, you don't see Senators getting elected Governor (RIP Kay Bailey Hutchison for Governor) or vice versa.

No congressmen move up to statewide office, likely because they lack the name recognition you need in such a big state.

Garry Mauro was land commissioner before he ran for governor.
Mark White was also Secretary of State.
Bob Bullock was Secretary of State and Comptroller before becoming LiteGovernor.
John Sharp was Comptroller before running for LiteGov.

The length of senate terms, and long-term incumbencies make a move to senator difficult.  If you wait for a senator to retire, it could be many years after you were governor.

There have been 7 senators in the last 53 years (not counting temporary senators).

Since 1961: Tower, Gramm, Cornyn.   Since 1957: Yarborough, Bentsen, Hutchison, Cruz.

[ajackson]

I voted for Patterson in the primary, and he's right about Patrick. He's a wholly toxic personality, I'll be voting for Dewhurst in the runoff.

[TX Conservative Dem]

Texas Secretary of State is NOT an elected post, it's always been appointed.

Jim Mattox served 3 terms in the U.S. House before being elected Texas State AG in 1982.

Price Daniel served 3 terms as State AG.

[jimrtex]

Texas Secretary of State is NOT an elected post, it's always been appointed.

Jim Mattox served 3 terms in the U.S. House before being elected Texas State AG in 1982.

Price Daniel served 3 terms as State AG.

It is a statewide office, and is a stepping stone to further offices.  Recent SOS include:

John Hill, later AG, and candidate for governor.
Bob Bullock, later Comptroller and Lite Gov.
Mark White, later AG and Governor.
Ron Kirk, later mayor of Dallas, and candidate for senate.
Tony Garza, later RRC, and ambassador.
Alberto Gonzales, later Supreme Court Justice, and US AG.
Henry Cuellar, currently US representative.
Roger Williams, currently US representative.

Every land commissioner since 1982 has sought higher office.
Every ag commissioner since 1990 has sought higher office.
Every comptroller since 1975 has sought higher office, except for Combs, who was Ag commissioner.

[TX Conservative Dem]

But Texas Secretary of State is NOT an elected position though, it's an appointed one.

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But Texas Secretary of State is NOT an elected position though, it's an appointed one.

Okay okay

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

But Texas Secretary of State is NOT an elected position though, it's an appointed one.

Okay okay

SoS is a statewide office, but because it's an appointed position, it arguably doesn't give you the name recognition you need and get from an elected statewide office. If you want people to know who you are, they need to see your name on a general election ballot at least a couple of times. What percentage of people in Texas who actually vote do you think know who the Secretary of State is?

[jimrtex]

But Texas Secretary of State is NOT an elected position though, it's an appointed one.

Okay okay

SoS is a statewide office, but because it's an appointed position, it arguably doesn't give you the name recognition you need and get from an elected statewide office. If you want people to know who you are, they need to see your name on a general election ballot at least a couple of times. What percentage of people in Texas who actually vote do you think know who the Secretary of State is?

John Hill was SOS when he first ran for governor and lost in the primary.   He was then elected AG, ran for governor and lost, then was elected Supreme Court Chief Justice.

Bob Bullock was SOS, and then was elected Comptroller, and eventually elected Lite Gov.

Mark White was SOS, was then elected AG, and then elected governor.

George Strake was SOS, and then defeated in a run for Lite Gov, and then told Dan Branch to give up his AG run.

Jack Rains was SOS, and then lost in the primary for governor.

Ron Kirk was SOS, and then elected mayor of Dallas, before losing a US senate race.

Tony Garza was SOS, then elected to the RRC.

Alberto Gonzalez was SOS, then appointed to and later elected to the Supreme Court.

Henry Cuellar and Roger Williams were SOS before being elected to Congress.

One disadvantage of being SOS is that traditionally they resign to run for another office, rather than trying to oversee their own election.   THis is also an advantage of having a non-elected SOS.

[TX Conservative Dem]

On Bob Bullock, he was manipulative, secretive, ruthless and master political monster in Texas statewide politics, who knew every secret about the legislators.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had wiretapped phones and homes of his political enemies.

By the way, Duke choked to Mercer.