Who’s further to the left?

[Kizzuwanda]

Both are centre-right in Europe.

Nonsense. On healthcare and gun control maybe, but thats it. Nobody on the centre-right (or even centre-left for that matter) in Europe supports abolishing Border Control agencies, nobody supports stopping deportations, Birthright citizenship, legalisation of Drugs, unregulated abortion (all european countries have strict time limits).
These "Europe is so much more left-wing then America" hot takes are annoying and have little to do with reality. Europe is more supportive of Government Authority than America. Thats the difference.

Annoyances seem to disable your reasoning abilities.
It is incorrect to say that no EU right-wing party defends opening borders: the CDU-CSU did it in 2015-2017. Birthright citizenship was abolished in 2005 in Ireland against the wishes of ruling Fianna Fáil. Macron's center-right LREM back legalising drugs.
You can also drop the right-wing bullsh**t about "unregulated abortion". They're less than 1% in every country in the world, and have just become a red-meat topic for Evangelicals.

Some right-wing parties in Europe are extreme (Poland, Hugary, Spain) but most EU right-wing parties are closer to the Democratic platform than the loony ancaps you call Republicans. In other words the Democratic party lines up better with right-wing parties in the EU that our socialist parties. I'm not saying that the Dem base isn't as left as the EU left, but out of political expediency, elected Democrats aren't.

Why is this difficult to comprehend?

And as for "Europeans more supportive of government than Americans", that's another crock: the small-gov fairytale pushed by the GOP doesn't stop them wanting more government to arrest people, wage wars and give tax exemptions. They're just too cowardly to ask anyone to pay for it, and their followers can't see that.

Have you experienced the Europe lifestyle, taxes, healthcare?
Have you heard of the Yellow Vests revolt in France?

Both are centre-right in Europe.

I mean, who isn't center-right in Europe?

Karl Marx is simply a centrist.

Urutzizu lives in Europe. And European right-wing parties are much more socialist than the GOP but also much more hardline on immigration, with many of them being against legal as well as illegal immigration and openly hostile to ethnic diversity (which the GOP, despite the woketard's nonstop autistic reeeing about white nationalism, is not)

[Epaminondas]

You claiming that the CDU-CSU/SPD, the Government that negotiated the Turkey-EU deal, that reintroduced Border Checks at German Borders, whose Chancellor called multiculturalism a failure, and that just passed a deportation law that allows for illegal immigrants to be detained in jails (as opposed to detention camps in the US), is for "open borders" is a ridiculous claim. People in Germany would laugh at you if you said that.

The irish birthright citizenship case was also something that had little to do with immigration but rather with Northern Ireland so bringing that up here was a bit disingenuous. No other E.U. country has it.

I live in Germany. Clearly your mind is made up, so I don't feel like labouring my point.

Open borders are over since 2017. But over the course of 3 years, Merkel agreed to take in over 2 millions asylum seekers out of humanitarian concern.
I doubt many people would laugh at the idea she "opened" the borders, since this very statement is the political creed of the AfD and its 20% voter base.

Regarding Ireland, jus soli was in the Constitution until 2004. Only under pressure from the EU was it abolished by referendum. It was the last EU country to offer it.
(Northern Ireland still has its peculiar rules: being born in NI entitles one to 2 passports, Irish and British)

I am less sure about abortion law differences, but anyone who equates "access to abortion" with "access to late-term abortion", a vanishingly small share, sounds too much like Fox News for my taste.

[Senator Incitatus]

I believe Sanders is a revolutionary Marxist socialist who has reluctantly acquiesced to democratic means of power.

LOL

Even if you elected five hundred and thirty-eight Marxist Congressmen, a Marxist President and Vice-President,  and packed the courts with self-identitied Marxists, you would be not one step closer to Communism. All Marxists understand this.

It is really telling that the "right" used this obvious joke of a thread to crack jokes and the "left" fell into a tangle of theory and finger-poking. Only one group takes political identity this seriously.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

What a difference a few months makes.

The answer now with clarity is clearly Bernie. He's kind if proven in this campaign the socialist activist of the 80a get was he is still there at heart. AOC meanwhile has mostly been indistinguishable from a standard #Resistance liberal and it's clear her platform is that of a social democrat.

Frankly though I'm enjoying seeing the mostly horrible people she's disappointed and pissed off.

[adamevans]

AOC easily.

[Leinad]

I love how someone posted the "center-right in Europe" meme and people took it seriously and had a Very Serious Debate over it.

[Lechasseur]

AOC easily.

[McNukes™ #NYCMMWasAHero]

Bernie Sanders, owing to his emphasis on the means of production

[DeSantis4Prez]

AOC, 100%.

[SWE]

Honestly a bizarre result. Maybe if you have a weird definition of what you consider more left wing it'd be AOC but Bernie seems like an easier case to make to me.

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By the standards of Africa, all American and European politicians are rightwing though

wtf. even back in the day when every black nationalist was quoting Lenin and Mao this would have been a tough sell, but today? What nationally elected African politicians these days even count as left wing?

[KaiserDave]

Both are centre-right in Europe.

I mean, who isn't center-right in Europe?

Mao and Hoxha manage to be in the mainstream center-left.

Stop it with the GOP talking points, Hoxha would be a centrist in Europe. Obviously.