liberal extremist vs. conservative extremist vs. centrist 3rd party

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I think a better Republican or extreme conservative ticket would be a Rand Paul/Mike Lee ticket. They'd reagan slide the race.

Barry Goldwater 2.0

Ronald Reagan 2.0

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I think a better Republican or extreme conservative ticket would be a Rand Paul/Mike Lee ticket. They'd reagan slide the race.

Barry Goldwater 2.0

Ah, but Rand Paul isn't going to make stupid comments about nuclear weapons.

[Mr. Illini]

Sanders/Warren vs. Cruz/Paul vs. Huntsman/Bayh

[Mordecai]

Sanders and Warren aren't extremists either.

[Antonio the Sixth]

> jerry brown
> liberal extremist
> lol

[Mister Mets]

Sanders and Warren aren't extremists either.

What Senators are noticeably to their left?

A realistic Liberal ticket would be Sanders/Warren.

I don't see Sanders having any chance at winning the nomination.

He's a socialist, older than Joe Biden and doesn't have much of a national following.

[Mordecai]

Sanders and Warren aren't extremists either.

What Senators are noticeably to their left?

They're not extremists just because you say they are. Warren in particularly is not as "far left" as some here claim her to be… she says she was a Republican "because they best supported markets" until the mid-1990s when she switched parties. So she's basically a Clinton Democrat who is concerned for the financial status of middle-class families (based on her career in researching bankruptcy law). That's not particularly extremist.

As for Sanders, he is a self-described democratic socialist (social democrat seems like a better descriptor but whatever) and he is an Independent so that puts him well to the left of the Democratic mainstream. But he's not far left or extremist. He hasn't advocated for mass nationalization of industry. His main concerns are basically universal access to healthcare, increasing incomes, decreasing wealth inequality, and preserving Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He's also more pro-gun rights than some Democrats.

I know it throws a wrench into the "both sides have extremists" narrative but I'm being objective here in saying that these two are not extremists.

Now, people like Kucinich, Gravel and that congresswoman who ran for the Green Party presidential nomination (can't remember her name) are much better representations of far left and extremism than Sanders and Warren. It's not my fault that they're not Senators and you really shouldn't try to equivocate them with Sanders and Warren especially considering the real extremists in the Senate tend to be right-wingers.

[Mr. Illini]

Sanders and Warren aren't extremists either.

What Senators are noticeably to their left?

They're not extremists just because you say they are. Warren in particularly is not as "far left" as some here claim her to be… she says she was a Republican "because they best supported markets" until the mid-1990s when she switched parties. So she's basically a Clinton Democrat who is concerned for the financial status of middle-class families (based on her career in researching bankruptcy law). That's not particularly extremist.

As for Sanders, he is a self-described democratic socialist (social democrat seems like a better descriptor but whatever) and he is an Independent so that puts him well to the left of the Democratic mainstream. But he's not far left or extremist. He hasn't advocated for mass nationalization of industry. His main concerns are basically universal access to healthcare, increasing incomes, decreasing wealth inequality, and preserving Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He's also more pro-gun rights than some Democrats.

I know it throws a wrench into the "both sides have extremists" narrative but I'm being objective here in saying that these two are not extremists.

Now, people like Kucinich, Gravel and that congresswoman who ran for the Green Party presidential nomination (can't remember her name) are much better representations of far left and extremism than Sanders and Warren. It's not my fault that they're not Senators and you really shouldn't try to equivocate them with Sanders and Warren especially considering the real extremists in the Senate tend to be right-wingers.

Perhaps by YOUR standards they are not extreme, but the word "extremist" is relative. By American standards, they are some of the furthest left mainstream politicians.

[Mordecai]

Sanders and Warren aren't extremists either.

What Senators are noticeably to their left?

They're not extremists just because you say they are. Warren in particularly is not as "far left" as some here claim her to be… she says she was a Republican "because they best supported markets" until the mid-1990s when she switched parties. So she's basically a Clinton Democrat who is concerned for the financial status of middle-class families (based on her career in researching bankruptcy law). That's not particularly extremist.

As for Sanders, he is a self-described democratic socialist (social democrat seems like a better descriptor but whatever) and he is an Independent so that puts him well to the left of the Democratic mainstream. But he's not far left or extremist. He hasn't advocated for mass nationalization of industry. His main concerns are basically universal access to healthcare, increasing incomes, decreasing wealth inequality, and preserving Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He's also more pro-gun rights than some Democrats.

I know it throws a wrench into the "both sides have extremists" narrative but I'm being objective here in saying that these two are not extremists.

Now, people like Kucinich, Gravel and that congresswoman who ran for the Green Party presidential nomination (can't remember her name) are much better representations of far left and extremism than Sanders and Warren. It's not my fault that they're not Senators and you really shouldn't try to equivocate them with Sanders and Warren especially considering the real extremists in the Senate tend to be right-wingers.

Perhaps by YOUR standards they are not extreme, but the word "extremist" is relative. By American standards, they are some of the furthest left mainstream politicians.

Lol.

If the only extremists of the left you could scrape up were Sanders and Warren then that's a testament to how highly you hold the American left, compared to right-wing extremists like Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Ron Paul, Paul Broun, Alan Keyes, Christine O'Donnell, Steve Stockman, Pat Buchanan, Louie Gohmert, Allen West, etc. who practically get away with murder as long as they wrap themselves in the flag, thump their bibles and praise Saint Reagan.

You won't find any remarks from Sanders or Warren as extremist as those listed above, despite what you may think of their ideology.

[Mr. Illini]

Sanders and Warren aren't extremists either.

What Senators are noticeably to their left?

They're not extremists just because you say they are. Warren in particularly is not as "far left" as some here claim her to be… she says she was a Republican "because they best supported markets" until the mid-1990s when she switched parties. So she's basically a Clinton Democrat who is concerned for the financial status of middle-class families (based on her career in researching bankruptcy law). That's not particularly extremist.

As for Sanders, he is a self-described democratic socialist (social democrat seems like a better descriptor but whatever) and he is an Independent so that puts him well to the left of the Democratic mainstream. But he's not far left or extremist. He hasn't advocated for mass nationalization of industry. His main concerns are basically universal access to healthcare, increasing incomes, decreasing wealth inequality, and preserving Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He's also more pro-gun rights than some Democrats.

I know it throws a wrench into the "both sides have extremists" narrative but I'm being objective here in saying that these two are not extremists.

Now, people like Kucinich, Gravel and that congresswoman who ran for the Green Party presidential nomination (can't remember her name) are much better representations of far left and extremism than Sanders and Warren. It's not my fault that they're not Senators and you really shouldn't try to equivocate them with Sanders and Warren especially considering the real extremists in the Senate tend to be right-wingers.

Perhaps by YOUR standards they are not extreme, but the word "extremist" is relative. By American standards, they are some of the furthest left mainstream politicians.

Lol.

If the only extremists of the left you could scrape up were Sanders and Warren then that's a testament to how highly you hold the American left, compared to right-wing extremists like Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Ron Paul, Paul Broun, Alan Keyes, Christine O'Donnell, Steve Stockman, Pat Buchanan, Louie Gohmert, Allen West, etc. who practically get away with murder as long as they wrap themselves in the flag, thump their bibles and praise Saint Reagan.

You won't find any remarks from Sanders or Warren as extremist as those listed above, despite what you may think of their ideology.

It's not a matter of how I "hold" the American left. Are you denying that extremism is relative to each country or are you denying that Sanders and Warren are the most left-wing mainstream American politicians?

[Mordecai]

Sanders and Warren aren't extremists either.

What Senators are noticeably to their left?

They're not extremists just because you say they are. Warren in particularly is not as "far left" as some here claim her to be… she says she was a Republican "because they best supported markets" until the mid-1990s when she switched parties. So she's basically a Clinton Democrat who is concerned for the financial status of middle-class families (based on her career in researching bankruptcy law). That's not particularly extremist.

As for Sanders, he is a self-described democratic socialist (social democrat seems like a better descriptor but whatever) and he is an Independent so that puts him well to the left of the Democratic mainstream. But he's not far left or extremist. He hasn't advocated for mass nationalization of industry. His main concerns are basically universal access to healthcare, increasing incomes, decreasing wealth inequality, and preserving Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He's also more pro-gun rights than some Democrats.

I know it throws a wrench into the "both sides have extremists" narrative but I'm being objective here in saying that these two are not extremists.

Now, people like Kucinich, Gravel and that congresswoman who ran for the Green Party presidential nomination (can't remember her name) are much better representations of far left and extremism than Sanders and Warren. It's not my fault that they're not Senators and you really shouldn't try to equivocate them with Sanders and Warren especially considering the real extremists in the Senate tend to be right-wingers.

Perhaps by YOUR standards they are not extreme, but the word "extremist" is relative. By American standards, they are some of the furthest left mainstream politicians.

Lol.

If the only extremists of the left you could scrape up were Sanders and Warren then that's a testament to how highly you hold the American left, compared to right-wing extremists like Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Ron Paul, Paul Broun, Alan Keyes, Christine O'Donnell, Steve Stockman, Pat Buchanan, Louie Gohmert, Allen West, etc. who practically get away with murder as long as they wrap themselves in the flag, thump their bibles and praise Saint Reagan.

You won't find any remarks from Sanders or Warren as extremist as those listed above, despite what you may think of their ideology.

It's not a matter of how I "hold" the American left. Are you denying that extremism is relative to each country or are you denying that Sanders and Warren are the most left-wing mainstream American politicians?

It's not a matter of me denying anything. Are you shifting the goalposts? (Answer? Yes.) Sanders is the most left-wing mainstream American politician. Warren is right up there too. That doesn't actually mean that either of them are extremists. Can you name something extreme that either one has done or said?

There are obvious limitations though to rhetoric because there are Republicans who have to do it just to get through a primary, but actions speak loudly and we haven't seen Sanders or Warren do something like Ted Cruz did with the government shutdown or Ron Paul trying to end the Federal Reserve or Michele Bachmann seriously suggesting that the Obama administration had been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood or any of those things. Do you understand the distinction I'm making? Did you read my previous post where I described Sanders and Warren?