Vote Tracker: November Referendum

[PJ]

Can We Speed This Up Initiative
Yes: 14
No: 18
Abstain: 1
If We Can't Speed This Up Initiative
Yes: 16
No: 17
Honesty In Government Initiative
Yes: 18
No: 15
Torture Isn't Nice Initiative
Yes: 14
No: 18
Abstain: 1
We Need More Initiatives Initiative
Yes: 22
No: 11

[homelycooking]

[PJ]

Thanks, Homely! Yours looks a lot better than mine.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

What's the threshold? 60%?

[PJ]

What's the threshold? 60%?

Yes, I think so.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Promising results, though I wish we weren't creating yet another sticky thread. There are too many stickied threads already.

[PJ]

     Promising results, though I wish we weren't creating yet another sticky thread. There are too many stickied threads already.

The problem is that the SoEA's office belongs in fantasy government. Initiatives and referendums are key parts of the electoral process. I don't see why the initiative thread shouldn't be stickied. It would also make things easier for Homely and anyone trying to pass an initiative. Digging through threads for it is a pain.

[homelycooking]

If there are concerns about the page being hard to find, I could just post a link to it in my SoFE thread.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Promising results, though I wish we weren't creating yet another sticky thread. There are too many stickied threads already.

The problem is that the SoEA's office belongs in fantasy government. Initiatives and referendums are key parts of the electoral process. I don't see why the initiative thread shouldn't be stickied. It would also make things easier for Homely and anyone trying to pass an initiative. Digging through threads for it is a pain.

     I daresay that, except for RG, they all should be in Fantasy Government. I have no issue with having a stickied referendum thread per se, but the sheer number of stickied threads here is ridiculous.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Which is why I voted no.


I considered voting yes on number three but it didn't seem very functional. What if its not honest? What if he doesn't do it?

[Badger]

Number 4 had potential, but fundamental flaws. No use of pepper spray on prisoners? It's all guards have to protect themselves in some places. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute: What would you use to subdue some 270 lb enforcer for the Ayran Brotherhood who just decided to take out a piece of your skull for disrespecting him? Breathing exercises?

No stun belts? It's a more humane way of controlling a violent outburst than truncheons. I had a trial this week with a repeat offender who broke his way through his ex's door and tried stabbing her boyfriend with a butcher knife, then tried committing suicide by cop (but fortunately, thanks to typical strong police training and restraint, he was merely tased and his life saved). He had a stun belt under his street clothes, as he couldn't be handcuffed in front of the jury to avoid prejudicing his right to fair trial. As the trial progressed and evidence mounted, even his lawyer warned us and the judge he was ready to blow, and a second bailiff was summoned to subtly sit behind him as well. We used the knife as an exhibit, and I have little doubt he would've skewered one of us or his ex if he could reach it. He didn't, but that stun belt was surely the only thing that kept it from happening. Thank you for stun belts.

"No excessive incarceration"? Well, no one likes anything "excessive" but that needed defined a bit first for me. Sometimes a lifer (or close to it) can only be controlled from preying on inmates and staff by the threat of 23 hour a day solitary instead of being in general pop.

Too bad. Without such overstepping language, the balance was fine and I would've happily supported it. But the bill included some legitimate and even downright necessary inmate control measures under the auspices of "torture".

[GAworth]

It is sad to see CARCA failing, however, I do stand by all my votes.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Number 4 had potential, but fundamental flaws. No use of pepper spray on prisoners? It's all guards have to protect themselves in some places. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute: What would you use to subdue some 270 lb enforcer for the Ayran Brotherhood who just decided to take out a piece of your skull for disrespecting him? Breathing exercises?

No stun belts? It's a more humane way of controlling a violent outburst than truncheons. I had a trial this week with a repeat offender who broke his way through his ex's door and tried stabbing her boyfriend with a butcher knife, then tried committing suicide by cop (but fortunately, thanks to typical strong police training and restraint, he was merely tased and his life saved). He had a stun belt under his street clothes, as he couldn't be handcuffed in front of the jury to avoid prejudicing his right to fair trial. As the trial progressed and evidence mounted, even his lawyer warned us and the judge he was ready to blow, and a second bailiff was summoned to subtly sit behind him as well. We used the knife as an exhibit, and I have little doubt he would've skewered one of us or his ex if he could reach it. He didn't, but that stun belt was surely the only thing that kept it from happening. Thank you for stun belts.

"No excessive incarceration"? Well, no one likes anything "excessive" but that needed defined a bit first for me. Sometimes a lifer (or close to it) can only be controlled from preying on inmates and staff by the threat of 23 hour a day solitary instead of being in general pop.

Too bad. Without such overstepping language, the balance was fine and I would've happily supported it. But the bill included some legitimate and even downright necessary inmate control measures under the auspices of "torture".

That too.  I figured it'd be easier to attack Initiative 4 based on its severe language flaws rather than substantive flaws though.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Number 4 had potential, but fundamental flaws. No use of pepper spray on prisoners? It's all guards have to protect themselves in some places. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute: What would you use to subdue some 270 lb enforcer for the Ayran Brotherhood who just decided to take out a piece of your skull for disrespecting him? Breathing exercises?

No stun belts? It's a more humane way of controlling a violent outburst than truncheons. I had a trial this week with a repeat offender who broke his way through his ex's door and tried stabbing her boyfriend with a butcher knife, then tried committing suicide by cop (but fortunately, thanks to typical strong police training and restraint, he was merely tased and his life saved). He had a stun belt under his street clothes, as he couldn't be handcuffed in front of the jury to avoid prejudicing his right to fair trial. As the trial progressed and evidence mounted, even his lawyer warned us and the judge he was ready to blow, and a second bailiff was summoned to subtly sit behind him as well. We used the knife as an exhibit, and I have little doubt he would've skewered one of us or his ex if he could reach it. He didn't, but that stun belt was surely the only thing that kept it from happening. Thank you for stun belts.

"No excessive incarceration"? Well, no one likes anything "excessive" but that needed defined a bit first for me. Sometimes a lifer (or close to it) can only be controlled from preying on inmates and staff by the threat of 23 hour a day solitary instead of being in general pop.

Too bad. Without such overstepping language, the balance was fine and I would've happily supported it. But the bill included some legitimate and even downright necessary inmate control measures under the auspices of "torture".

This post perfectly captures my position on the torture amendment.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

For the Mideast assembly, I estimate the results as of now would be:
1. Mr. X
2. Inks
3. DC Al Fine
4. Siren
5. either myself or OAM

[Maxwell]

For the Mideast assembly, I estimate the results as of now would be:
1. Mr. X
2. Inks
3. DC Al Fine
4. Siren
5. either myself or OAM

You're basically right, though Al is closer than OAM.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

For the Mideast assembly, I estimate the results as of now would be:
1. Mr. X
2. Inks
3. DC Al Fine
4. Siren
5. either myself or OAM

You're basically right, though Al is closer than OAM.

I have OAM closer than Al in my count, but I'm in the process of double-checking it.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

For the Mideast assembly, I estimate the results as of now would be:
1. Mr. X
2. Inks
3. DC Al Fine
4. Siren
5. either myself or OAM

You're basically right, though Al is closer than OAM.

I guessed that OAM is ahead of Al because he has so many more 2nd and 3rd preferences.

[Maxwell]

For the Mideast assembly, I estimate the results as of now would be:
1. Mr. X
2. Inks
3. DC Al Fine
4. Siren
5. either myself or OAM

You're basically right, though Al is closer than OAM.

I have OAM closer than Al in my count, but I'm in the process of double-checking it.

Oh yes you're right. I didn't get Joe Mad.

[Maxwell]

I can't break down the next to last round, but Mr. X, DC Al Fine, Inks, Siren, and a toss-up between Al and Shua for the last seat.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I can't break down the next to last round, but Mr. X, DC Al Fine, Inks, Siren, and a toss-up between Al and Shua for the last seat.

Yeah, the last seat is a mess.  I'm pretty sure I'm calculating it wrong, but I'm not really sure what's going on.  At first I had, JCL in the last seat, but as I said, I'm pretty sure I redistributed something the wrong way.  In other words, I don't know who won the last seat either

[ZuWo]

I have no clue, either. TJ will hopefully be able to clarify the mess. I have no doubts that he will, he's apparently a math genius.

[Anna Komnene]

I'm not sure if needing a math genius to figure out who won says much about our electoral system. 

[TJ in Oregon]

Preliminary results are posted in the Governor's Office. As this was a very close election, please looks at them carefully in case there is a mistake.

Again, I would like to thank the candidates who participated and congratulate our newly elected assembly.

[Maxwell]

Midwest Althing/Legislature Results
Quota - 33%

Pollster Cris - 33%
Citizen Arturo Belano - 33%
MW Representative GAWorth - 25%
MW Representative Thomas D - 8%

Cris and Arturo are elected on the first round. With no surplus, GAWorth beats Thomas D in the second round.