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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2013, 02:38:49 PM »

No, Reform Judaism, "Avinu Malkeinu" literally means "Our Father Our King."  It is stupid to recite it then say "Our Parent our Sovereign, hear our voice..."

Aren't Reform Jews just Christians anyway?
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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2013, 03:20:08 PM »

No, Reform Judaism, "Avinu Malkeinu" literally means "Our Father Our King."  It is stupid to recite it then say "Our Parent our Sovereign, hear our voice..."

Aren't Reform Jews just Christians anyway?

There's less Jesus and more Hebrew.  It'd be closer to compare them to Unitarians than most mainline Christians.
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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2013, 04:06:51 PM »


But you're basing your assumptions on the fact I make a joke at the expense of religious worship therefore I must have an underlying hatred. You don't know me, you don't know my involvement with religious and faith based groups in the work that I do here in Scotland, so I'd be grateful if you didn't jump to conclusions.


I may have walked to my conclusions, but not jumped.  To me it's noteworthy that the most blatant and longest example of hypocrisy in your first hymn centered around homophobia.

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Not only that, but you specifically chose to associate your second example, that of Christian <BRTD can fill in the sub-genre you were emulating> rock with homophobia as well, when as far as I can tell, those sorts of groups aren't all that involved with that and those that are certainly wouldn't hide it as you did in your parody. (At least not around here they wouldn't; things may be different on your side of the pond.) Not only that, but it's inclusion was totally unnecessary to your main point of how vapid a good deal of Christian rock is, with much of it no more than a standard rock song with a few mentions of Jesus inserted.

Whatever your true self or intent may be, you've expressed yourself in a manner indicating that you reflect back upon religion the hatred some express towards you and your sexual preference in the name of religion.  Perhaps not to the same degree it has been inflicted upon you; but it is how I took your attempted joke.
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2013, 04:35:25 PM »

No. I 'reflect'  by assisting the Glasgow and Edinburgh Metropolitan Church, the Scottish Quakers, the St Mary's Episcopalian Cathedral and various Methodist and other churches through faith based community outreach programs. That's what I do. You can read into a single post about how I 'reflect hatred' towards Christianity all you want but I prefer to judge people on merit and on their actions;those things exist outside of a political forum.
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2013, 07:00:13 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2013, 09:00:40 PM by True Federalist »

As I said, I can only judge based on what I know at the time.  I stand by how I interpreted your words at the time, tho I am gladdened to hear that your actions do not match what I read in your words.  Still, what matters most is what is in your heart, and that cannot be truly judged by either word or deed.

I do apologize for inferring that what I read in your words represents your heart, as I cannot know it.  Humor and religion can be tricky. Indeed, humor and any subject is generally tricky. Doing it by the written word is trickier still.  Still, I hope you do not give up on humor.
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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2013, 07:44:24 PM »

I just thought of another:

My Hope is Built on Nothing Less (The Solid Rock) (Second verse)
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I don't understand why the SDA Hymnal would change this one at all.
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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2013, 08:26:30 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2013, 09:04:21 PM by True Federalist »

I just thought of another:

My Hope is Built on Nothing Less (The Solid Rock) (Second verse)
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I don't understand why the SDA Hymnal would change this one at all.

I can't say for certain since I'm not fully versed (no pun intended) in SDA doctrine.  But the SDA version is not Adventist exclusive.  Indeed, judging by what I found on hymnary.org, both versions are fairly common, and I'm not sure which was the original.  The most likely doctrinal reason I can think of is an objection to the idea that anything, even darkness, can truly veil Jesus from us save our own sinful refusal to look towards him for deliverance.
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