1964 United States Presidential Election

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Hey, liberals? Who will we run in '68? RFK (though he might die and that would screw things up for Cath)? HHH? McGovern? McCarthy (not him, though, he got weird later on and there are other anti-war candidates)? I propose either HHH/McGovern or McGovern/HHH, but we should keep in mind that we can only elect one of them, as they both ran in '68 and '72 only. Unless Cath does the thing where the VP runs, in which case the other will run at the end of the first's administration in '76. If he does that, we should do Humphrey/McGovern, so that McGovern can serve fully from '77 to '85. Humphrey died in '78, so a McGovern/Humphrey ticket might end up with only 2 1/2 terms for the both of them instead of 4.

Thoughts? What do y'all think?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

FYI, if LBJ does pull off a win, he'll have to fend off a challenge from the Vice President's brother. As well, who knows? The Vice President himself may be running.

Also, why the hate for McCarthy? He's the coolest of those guys.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

FYI, if LBJ does pull off a win, he'll have to fend off a challenge from the Vice President's brother. As well, who knows? The Vice President himself may be running.

Also, why the hate for McCarthy? He's the coolest of those guys.

IIRC, he referred to Carter as "the worst president ever".

[Donerail]

Hey, liberals? Who will we run in '68? RFK (though he might die and that would screw things up for Cath)? HHH? McGovern? McCarthy (not him, though, he got weird later on and there are other anti-war candidates)? I propose either HHH/McGovern or McGovern/HHH, but we should keep in mind that we can only elect one of them, as they both ran in '68 and '72 only. Unless Cath does the thing where the VP runs, in which case the other will run at the end of the first's administration in '76. If he does that, we should do Humphrey/McGovern, so that McGovern can serve fully from '77 to '85. Humphrey died in '78, so a McGovern/Humphrey ticket might end up with only 2 1/2 terms for the both of them instead of 4.

Thoughts? What do y'all think?

McGovern/McCarthy!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I would take

McGovern/Morse '69-'77
Church/Mondale '77-85

Over Humphrey being anywhere near the white house any day!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

All right, then, the people have spoken. McGovern/Somebody '68! Morse seems like a good idea for a VP. However, X, I'm not totally sure about Church. I'm thinking Shriver or Carter.

[Supersonic]

Is this over now?

Edit: Will there be any third party options in '68?

[OAM]

All right, then, the people have spoken. McGovern/Somebody '68! Morse seems like a good idea for a VP. However, X, I'm not totally sure about Church. I'm thinking Shriver or Carter.

I'd hardly say the people have spoken before the actual poll even opens

[Maxwell]

McGovern/Church

[OAM]

I'll reserve comment on my preferred candidate until we see if RFK bites the dust or not.

[Donerail]

All right, then, the people have spoken. McGovern/Somebody '68! Morse seems like a good idea for a VP. However, X, I'm not totally sure about Church. I'm thinking Shriver or Carter.

Church is a major FF. Anti-Vietnam, excellent environmental record, etc. Much better than Shriver, and as much as I hate to not have a Carter post-Presidency to look forwards to... I endorse McGovern or McCarthy for President and Morse, Gruening, or the loser of those two. Worth noting as well: Bear Bryant should be on the ballot in the D Primary in '68 and would make an excellent President.

Excellent Options

• McCarthy/McGovern
• McGovern/McCarthy
• McCarthy/Morse
• McCarthy/Gruening
• McGovern/Morse
• McGovern/Gruening
• Bear Bryant

[tmthforu94]

Wow, Smith won the popular vote - cool!

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

All right, Church seems good.

[HoosierPoliticalJunkie]

Wow, Smith won the popular vote - cool!

Yay 

Glad the segregationist (at that point would have been given the timeline) lost!

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

The 1964 United States Presidential Election
Despite the geographic and party differences between the two major party candidates, an New England Republican and a Texas Democrat, and the differences between their two running mates, a Western conservative and a Northeastern liberal, the two campaigns would be run in largely the same fashion and on the same issues. Both Smith and Johnson supported what amounted to the economic status quo of the time: a strong Socialist Party-crafted welfare state, with little change. Despite the fading of the Socialists from power, they'd left a long legacy and their programs had proved popular and long lasting. On foreign policy, both candidates agreed on a diplomatic yet tough foreign policy, and little, if any, was discussed of the growing American involvement in Vietnam. The real campaigning would instead be left to the running mates. Goldwater and Kennedy were Senate friends despite their ideological and geographic differences and were loath to have to attack each other in such a manner. However, they both went about their jobs fairly well. Goldwater on one hand claimed that the election of Johnson would produce a "reinvigorated growth of government that will crush private enterprise and economic individualism throughout the country" while Kennedy claimed that "Smith and her party's conservatives, once given a mandate, will seek to dismantle this nation's economy in a way that has never been seen before." Despite these two's vicious attacks, there was a large amount of voter apathy due to the time of peace and prosperity the nation was in and thus there was a large movement in many states for unpledged electors and third parties. This made the election extremely close and destroyed the electoral foundation of Johnson's campaign, leaving him a few Northern states but little else. With that, Margaret Chase Smith became the second elected female President. Of note in this election was the first time that Washington D.C. cast any vote. With Smith touting her pro-civil rights record in the nation's capitol, she was able to win easily there. However, the African-American vote would in the future not go so easily for the Republicans.

President Margaret Chase Smith (Republican-Maine)/Senator Barry Morris Goldwater (Republican-Arizona) 271 electoral votes, 40.3% of the popular vote
Senator Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democrat-Texas)/Senator John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Democrat-Massachusetts) 167 electoral votes, 39% of the popular vote
Senator J. William Fulbright (Democrat-Arkansas)/Governor George C. Wallace (Democrat-Alabama) [Unpledged Electors] 100 electoral votes, 19.2% of the popular vote
Others: 0 electoral votes, 1.6% of the popular vote