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CLARENCE 2015!
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« on: March 18, 2013, 04:16:37 PM »

I now see why there is rare bipartisan agreement in Washington... Democrats and Republicans find this guy a douchebag

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2013/03/cruz-opposes-ms-resolution-159627.html?hp=r1
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 04:19:55 PM »

Cruz is the GOP, clarence.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 04:21:37 PM »

the sad thing is hes in a safe red state
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 04:34:56 PM »

You can't be serious
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 04:35:17 PM »

This guy would oppose a resolution in support of puppies and rainbows due to it being government over-reach and infringing on the liberty of Americans and the free market to decide what is and is not cute
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 05:02:42 PM »

The entire GOP consistently and routinely votes to obliterate health services that people with MS need to live. So, what's the big fuss about a meaningless resolution?
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 05:14:24 PM »

The fuss is over not having a chance to read over it before voting on it, or rather having one of his staffers read over it. The text of the Senate omnibus resolution isn't even up on Thomas yet.  Conversely, there is a House Resolution (H. Res. 95) dealing specifically with this event that was filed back at the start of the month, but never got out of committee.  While Cruz is being an ass about it, the reason for the fuss is quite reasonable, especially since there is absolutely no reason this couldn't have been introduced in a timely manner that allowed anyone who might wish to suggest changes to the wording to do so.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 05:26:18 PM »

The problem seems to be some procedural issue.  Cruz' issue is whether he is a Republican or Democrat he needs to work within the system and traditions of the Senate.  I understand people wanting to read bills but this is a very odd place to put your foot down.  The man is an @$$.  You can be an extremist in the Senate and still not piss everyone off.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 05:43:39 PM »

Cruz isn't real, folks.

He wanted to be a Senator from his home state of Texas and knew the clearest path was to behave this way.   He knows the Congress is in gridlock.  He knows he's part of a minority party.  He knows nothing he does as a vote will impact anything in the real world other than make him endearing to the state of Texas.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 05:48:10 PM »

Ted Cruz has been signaling he wants to run for President in 2016 since before he was elected Senator
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 06:02:49 PM »

The fuss is over not having a chance to read over it before voting on it, or rather having one of his staffers read over it. The text of the Senate omnibus resolution isn't even up on Thomas yet.  Conversely, there is a House Resolution (H. Res. 95) dealing specifically with this event that was filed back at the start of the month, but never got out of committee.  While Cruz is being an ass about it, the reason for the fuss is quite reasonable, especially since there is absolutely no reason this couldn't have been introduced in a timely manner that allowed anyone who might wish to suggest changes to the wording to do so.

You know no one in Congress reads every bill that gets a floor vote word for word. It is logistically impossible for them to do so. This is a resolution commemorating MS Week. What did he think? That buried deep within it was some fine print clause granting supreme authority to Obama to force women to abort their babies so the fetuses' stem cells could be used to help cure MS?)
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 11:13:30 PM »

The fuss is over not having a chance to read over it before voting on it, or rather having one of his staffers read over it. The text of the Senate omnibus resolution isn't even up on Thomas yet.  Conversely, there is a House Resolution (H. Res. 95) dealing specifically with this event that was filed back at the start of the month, but never got out of committee.  While Cruz is being an ass about it, the reason for the fuss is quite reasonable, especially since there is absolutely no reason this couldn't have been introduced in a timely manner that allowed anyone who might wish to suggest changes to the wording to do so.

You know no one in Congress reads every bill that gets a floor vote word for word. It is logistically impossible for them to do so. This is a resolution commemorating MS Week. What did he think? That buried deep within it was some fine print clause granting supreme authority to Obama to force women to abort their babies so the fetuses' stem cells could be used to help cure MS?)

I know that, which is why I said it would be a staffer of his who would get to read the bill.  Indeed, according the article cited in the OP, one of his staffers who suffers from MS wanted a chance to review the bill and offer suggestions.  The most charitable interpretation that can be offered is the Democratic staffers assigned the task of writing it thought the resolution so inconsequential that no one would care about its wording, therefore there was no need to get it prepared soon enough for others to review it. Then because someone did care, the Democratic staffers chose to make an issue out of Cruz's supposed heartless contempt for those suffering from MS to deflect attention from their incompetence in getting something as simple as this resolution prepared in time to allows others to make suggestions on how it might be improved.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 11:20:56 PM »

The fuss is over not having a chance to read over it before voting on it, or rather having one of his staffers read over it. The text of the Senate omnibus resolution isn't even up on Thomas yet.  Conversely, there is a House Resolution (H. Res. 95) dealing specifically with this event that was filed back at the start of the month, but never got out of committee.  While Cruz is being an ass about it, the reason for the fuss is quite reasonable, especially since there is absolutely no reason this couldn't have been introduced in a timely manner that allowed anyone who might wish to suggest changes to the wording to do so.

You know no one in Congress reads every bill that gets a floor vote word for word. It is logistically impossible for them to do so. This is a resolution commemorating MS Week. What did he think? That buried deep within it was some fine print clause granting supreme authority to Obama to force women to abort their babies so the fetuses' stem cells could be used to help cure MS?)

I know that, which is why I said it would be a staffer of his who would get to read the bill.  Indeed, according the article cited in the OP, one of his staffers who suffers from MS wanted a chance to review the bill and offer suggestions.  The most charitable interpretation that can be offered is the Democratic staffers assigned the task of writing it thought the resolution so inconsequential that no one would care about its wording, therefore there was no need to get it prepared soon enough for others to review it. Then because someone did care, the Democratic staffers chose to make an issue out of Cruz's supposed heartless contempt for those suffering from MS to deflect attention from their incompetence in getting something as simple as this resolution prepared in time to allows others to make suggestions on how it might be improved.

In what way could a resolution that has no binding effects, commemorating an "awareness week" for an awful disease for which there is still no cure, possibly need to be improved? You're either commemorating MS Awareness Week or you're not.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 11:41:26 PM »

In what way could a resolution that has no binding effects, commemorating an "awareness week" for an awful disease for which there is still no cure, possibly need to be improved? You're either commemorating MS Awareness Week or you're not.

You've got to be kidding, right?  The equivalent House resolution has fourteen separate whereases, and seven separate bullet points in the resolved clause.  Assuming the Senate version was anything like that, I can easily imagine someone, especially someone who actually suffers from the condition, suggesting another whereas or bullet point, or suggesting an improvement in the wordy text.  It looks like you are more concerned more about the appearance of giving a damn about the topic than actually giving a damn.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 11:53:55 PM »

Why did so many Republicans on here root for this guy?
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2013, 02:04:35 AM »

In what way could a resolution that has no binding effects, commemorating an "awareness week" for an awful disease for which there is still no cure, possibly need to be improved? You're either commemorating MS Awareness Week or you're not.

You've got to be kidding, right?  The equivalent House resolution has fourteen separate whereases, and seven separate bullet points in the resolved clause.  Assuming the Senate version was anything like that, I can easily imagine someone, especially someone who actually suffers from the condition, suggesting another whereas or bullet point, or suggesting an improvement in the wordy text.  It looks like you are more concerned more about the appearance of giving a damn about the topic than actually giving a damn.

Isn't a nonbinding resolution by its very definition the appearance of giving a damn about something?

If Ted Cruz actually gave a damn about MS sufferers, he wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to stop those of them who can't afford health insurance from being able to get it. He wouldn't be part of a party that opposes stem cell research that could help develop a cure for their condition. He wouldn't be part of a party that has so little regard for disabled people that most of its senators refused to vote for an equally nonbinding resolution in support of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2013, 02:11:50 AM »

I think everybody here knows my feelings on the guy, but I don't think he's wrong here... it's not unfair to want to be able to have time to read the bill.  That being said, I wouldn't have done it.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2013, 02:18:48 AM »


I rooted for him because he campaigned on a Paulesqe foreign policy and seemed to be anti-Patriot Act and anti-NDAA. Also, I can't stand Dewhurst.

Everything since his primary win has been a massive disappointment.
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 08:17:18 AM »

If Ted Cruz actually gave a damn about MS sufferers, he wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to stop those of them who can't afford health insurance from being able to get it. He wouldn't be part of a party that opposes stem cell research that could help develop a cure for their condition. He wouldn't be part of a party that has so little regard for disabled people that most of its senators refused to vote for an equally nonbinding resolution in support of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I know what follows is a sandman, but it illustrates the view of opponents of embryonic stem cell research. If a bill were to come up that called for people receiving the death penalty to be executed in a manner that allowed for the harvesting of their organs for transplantation and then to have said organs to be harvested, would you support it?  The opponents of embryonic stem cell research view embryos as human life and the destruction of one human life to save others to be morally repugnant.  Granted, those in favor of the research don't share that view of embryos as human life.
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 10:12:54 AM »

If Ted Cruz actually gave a damn about MS sufferers, he wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail to stop those of them who can't afford health insurance from being able to get it. He wouldn't be part of a party that opposes stem cell research that could help develop a cure for their condition. He wouldn't be part of a party that has so little regard for disabled people that most of its senators refused to vote for an equally nonbinding resolution in support of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I know what follows is a sandman, but it illustrates the view of opponents of embryonic stem cell research. If a bill were to come up that called for people receiving the death penalty to be executed in a manner that allowed for the harvesting of their organs for transplantation and then to have said organs to be harvested, would you support it?  The opponents of embryonic stem cell research view embryos as human life and the destruction of one human life to save others to be morally repugnant.  Granted, those in favor of the research don't share that view of embryos as human life.

The weird thing is, you don't even need to harvest embryos for stem cell research anymore; all you need is to keep a baby's placenta around after birth, and it gives you a good supply of stem cells. No moral questions about that.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2013, 01:27:30 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2013, 01:42:21 PM »

Other than not being a WASP (and as far as I know, not racist), he perfectly represents the GOP base. Of course he's a rising star.
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