Bus Driver Unions of New York city go on strike, shut down schools

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Good on the bus drivers. Solidarity forever.

[krazen1211]

The article says they spend about $1.1B on transit. They have about 1.1M students. That's about $1000/student by non creative accounting.

The unions are continuing the vicious assault on the taxpayer.


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8976957


Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

In exchange for an up to 80 day periood and a return to work, the union wanted the city not to put new contracts up for bids, as leaders make their case for why they say drivers salaries are not the reason for the high costs of school busing. The City declined the offer.

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The article says they spend about $1.1B on transit. They have about 1.1M students. That's about $1000/student by non creative accounting.

The unions are continuing the vicious assault on the taxpayer.


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8976957


Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

In exchange for an up to 80 day periood and a return to work, the union wanted the city not to put new contracts up for bids, as leaders make their case for why they say drivers salaries are not the reason for the high costs of school busing. The City declined the offer.

You need to get a dictionary.

Your own quote says the bus drivers want the city to hold off for two and a half months while the bus drivers justify their pay.  How that is a "vicious assault" is beyond me.

[opebo]

Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

What do you expect?  All costs have gone up similarly, and anyway, that is progress.

[krazen1211]

Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

What do you expect?  All costs have gone up similarly, and anyway, that is progress.

Hmm? No, a Big Mac only costs about 3 times as much. Not 11 times.

[krazen1211]

The article says they spend about $1.1B on transit. They have about 1.1M students. That's about $1000/student by non creative accounting.

The unions are continuing the vicious assault on the taxpayer.


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8976957


Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

In exchange for an up to 80 day periood and a return to work, the union wanted the city not to put new contracts up for bids, as leaders make their case for why they say drivers salaries are not the reason for the high costs of school busing. The City declined the offer.

You need to get a dictionary.

Your own quote says the bus drivers want the city to hold off for two and a half months while the bus drivers justify their pay.  How that is a "vicious assault" is beyond me.

The fact that they get to make their billions and then justify their pay after the fact is in itself a travesty for the American taxpayer, most of which do not retain these 'job protections' that these unions are demanding for themselves.

New York City public schools have lower enrollment than 1970. It is astonishing to see such tenfold rises in expenditures.

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The article says they spend about $1.1B on transit. They have about 1.1M students. That's about $1000/student by non creative accounting.

The unions are continuing the vicious assault on the taxpayer.


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8976957


Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

In exchange for an up to 80 day periood and a return to work, the union wanted the city not to put new contracts up for bids, as leaders make their case for why they say drivers salaries are not the reason for the high costs of school busing. The City declined the offer.

You need to get a dictionary.

Your own quote says the bus drivers want the city to hold off for two and a half months while the bus drivers justify their pay.  How that is a "vicious assault" is beyond me.

The fact that they get to make their billions and then justify their pay after the fact is in itself a travesty for the American taxpayer, most of which do not retain these 'job protections' that these unions are demanding for themselves.

New York City public schools have lower enrollment than 1970. It is astonishing to see such tenfold rises in expenditures.

krazen1211, your reading comprehension skills are poor.  Your own quote says 1.1 billion.  That is not BILLIONS.  Secondly that is total expenses.  That is not bus driver compensation.  You don't even know what their compensation is.  And there is no indication that they didn't justify their pay in the past.  Why would you imply that?

Do you read your own quotes?

In exchange for an up to 80 day periood and a return to work, the union wanted the city not to put new contracts up for bids, as leaders make their case for why they say drivers salaries are not the reason for the high costs of school busing. The City declined the offer.

The number was 1.1 Billion.  Not BILLIONS.  And that was total costs not just bus driver pay.  And the bus drivers have come out and said their pay is not the main driver behind the cost increases.  You have not presented any evidence to refute that assertion.

New York City public schools have lower enrollment than 1970. It is astonishing to see such tenfold rises in expenditures.

How much has have healthcare costs gone up 40+ years?

How much have gas prices gone up in 40+ years?

How much have traffic tickets gone up in 40+ years?

Have you bought bread lately?

How is any of that the bus drivers' fault?!

[krazen1211]

The article says they spend about $1.1B on transit. They have about 1.1M students. That's about $1000/student by non creative accounting.

The unions are continuing the vicious assault on the taxpayer.


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8976957


Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

In exchange for an up to 80 day periood and a return to work, the union wanted the city not to put new contracts up for bids, as leaders make their case for why they say drivers salaries are not the reason for the high costs of school busing. The City declined the offer.

You need to get a dictionary.

Your own quote says the bus drivers want the city to hold off for two and a half months while the bus drivers justify their pay.  How that is a "vicious assault" is beyond me.

The fact that they get to make their billions and then justify their pay after the fact is in itself a travesty for the American taxpayer, most of which do not retain these 'job protections' that these unions are demanding for themselves.

New York City public schools have lower enrollment than 1970. It is astonishing to see such tenfold rises in expenditures.

krazen1211, your reading comprehension skills are poor.  Your own quote says 1.1 billion.  That is not BILLIONS.  Secondly that is total expenses.  That is not bus driver compensation.  You don't even know what their compensation is.  And there is no indication that they didn't justify their pay in the past.  Why would you imply that?

New York City public schools have lower enrollment than 1970. It is astonishing to see such tenfold rises in expenditures.

How much has have healthcare costs gone up 40+ years?

How much have gas prices gone up in 40+ years?

How much have traffic tickets gone up in 40+ years?

Have you bought bread lately?

How is any of that the bus drivers' fault?!

Of course, you forgot to do rudimentary mathematics and multiplied that $1.1 billion over the duration of the contract. Rudimentary mathematics is of course what Michael Bloomberg did when he proposed bringing these contracts up for bid in order to stop paying twice as much as any other US city.

But, you want to know how much they get paid? Well, $42000 each, plus they get to freeload unemployment in the summer. Oh, and the age 55 pension.

I guess when you get that kind of deal while serving a smaller and smaller customer base you want to keep it going, eh?

[opebo]

Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

What do you expect?  All costs have gone up similarly, and anyway, that is progress.

Hmm? No, a Big Mac only costs about 3 times as much. Not 11 times.

A Big Mac would (and should) cost 11 times as much, were McDonalds not a slave labor joint (non-unionized).  You see, these unions are a good thing, and increasing costs and expenditures are also a good thing.  This is what we call human progress.

[krazen1211]

Just 152,000 of New York City's 1.1 million public schoolchildren ride yellow school buses, but the cost of busing students has risen from $100 million in 1979 to $1.1 billion today.

What do you expect?  All costs have gone up similarly, and anyway, that is progress.

Hmm? No, a Big Mac only costs about 3 times as much. Not 11 times.

A Big Mac would (and should) cost 11 times as much, were McDonalds not a slave labor joint (non-unionized).  You see, these unions are a good thing, and increasing costs and expenditures are also a good thing.  This is what we call human progress.

That's an interesting theory. If a Big Mac and the rest of their menu cost $13 McDonalds wouldn't be in business and there would be no labor at all.

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Of course, you forgot to do rudimentary mathematics and multiplied that $1.1 billion over the duration of the contract.

The only number you posted was $1.1 billion which is the one year expense for the entire bus program.  You did not break out bus driver pay.  Throwing out a nebulous number BILLIONS with no break down or time frame is worse than just saying nothing.  It is totally meaningless.

But, you want to know how much they get paid? Well, $42000 each, plus they get to freeload unemployment in the summer. Oh, and the age 55 pension.

I guess when you get that kind of deal while serving a smaller and smaller customer base you want to keep it going, eh?

I've lived in New York.  Have you?  I don't know what compensation package you have to put forth to get qualified safe drivers to ferry our children around NYC.  What I do know is there are tiers of commercial bus drivers.  And some of the cut rate commercial companies have had some horrific accidents in recent years.  Is the total compensation package for a union bus driver in NYC reasonable?  I don't know.  Is the union asking for two and a half months to justify their compensation reasonable?  Maybe.  Is it a "vicious attack?"  Hell no.

I just don't know how you can have such strong feelings about something you basically know nothing about.

[opebo]

A Big Mac would (and should) cost 11 times as much, were McDonalds not a slave labor joint (non-unionized).  You see, these unions are a good thing, and increasing costs and expenditures are also a good thing.  This is what we call human progress.

That's an interesting theory. If a Big Mac and the rest of their menu cost $13 McDonalds wouldn't be in business and there would be no labor at all.

Sure there would, buddy.  If everybody were in a union, a $13 hamburger would be no problem because everyone would have a handsome income.