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« on: September 03, 2012, 06:44:09 PM »

What would be the reaction if, by election night, polls show a close race but slight advantage Obama, and in the end, the map looks like this?



Romney: 291
Obama: 247

Would there have been on overestimation of Obama support? Suppressed black turnout?
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 07:05:55 PM »

Definitely the latter, and probably some allegations of voter fraud. Especially if Florida is fairly close, as in this situation that's the one state that Obama could have won if he flipped.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 07:12:58 PM »

well the above map is the entire point of the voter ID (and other) laws which are designed to put the thumb on the scale of a close election. So yes, of course there will be screams from Dems about it, but it wont really matter. Romney will be prez and that will be that.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 07:15:25 PM »

What would be the reaction if, by election night, polls show a close race but slight advantage Obama, and in the end, the map looks like this?



Romney: 291
Obama: 247

Would there have been on overestimation of Obama support? Suppressed black turnout?

I think it would be the same reaction as 2004.  Actually, if you'd flip NH, this would be my current "good Romney night" map.  The national polls could be skewed because of strong Obama support in CA and NY.  (To a lesser extent, TX did it to Bush in 2000.)

The problem with suppressed black turnout is that PA has some of the most stringent voter ID laws.  If it's not suppressed, it is unlikely to be suppressed in the other close states.

It might be due to poor black turnout, but not suppression.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2012, 12:24:52 AM »

What would be the reaction if, by election night, polls show a close race but slight advantage Obama, and in the end, the map looks like this?

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Romney: 291
Obama: 247

Would there have been on overestimation of Obama support? Suppressed black turnout?

Such a situation would not surprise me at all.  If the election turns out to favor Romney despite what the polls say, it's most likely the pollsters that are wrong.  The explanation is fairly obvious:  Democratic oversampling.  The key to accurate polling is to have a sample representative of the people who actually vote on Election Day.  I'm not aware of the specifics, but I imagine most pollsters assume a relatively even balance between Democrats and Republicans in their samples, at best.  Some might give more weight to the Democrats.  I remember a poll in July that had Obama in the lead, but the sample was D +19 (meaning the sample was weighted heavily towards the Democrats), which was denounced as ludicrous.  

If Romney wins, I don't doubt the Democrats will let loose with all kinds of accusations, but the polls are far from totally reliable, even under the best of circumstances.  My own predictions are based largely on the CU economic analysis and the results of previous presidential elections; I didn't even take poll results into account when I made my predictions about where the 9 "swing states" would lean.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2012, 12:41:07 AM »

Uh. Go out to town with friends? And get really drunk in celebration?

Yeah. That's about it, I think. I'll probably ponder about the polling the first day I don't have a hangover.
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