It's ridiculous that this election is even remotely close

[mondale84]

Oh god...another one of these hacks...

[Zioneer]

This election is NOT close.  Polls are full of s***.  Most Americans haven't started to pay attention to this yet.  As soon as they do and they compare Obama to Mittens they will either (A) stay home or (B) pull the lever for the guy in the White House.

Do you know who wins Presidential elections?  The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with.  Thinking otherwise is naive.

Why would you not want to have coffee with Romney?  Is it because you are a liberal?  

Obama's a handsome guy, but he's raising taxes on the middle class (who don't have welfare) and small businesses to pay for universal health care.  There are a lot of Americans who are not happy with this.  

Romney's a smart successful guy who has done a lot in his life and achieved a lot.  It would be very interesting to have coffee with him.  

Actually, Romney can't have coffee either, as Mormons can't have that.

[Donerail]

This election is NOT close.  Polls are full of s***.  Most Americans haven't started to pay attention to this yet.  As soon as they do and they compare Obama to Mittens they will either (A) stay home or (B) pull the lever for the guy in the White House.

Do you know who wins Presidential elections?  The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with.  Thinking otherwise is naive.

Why would you not want to have coffee with Romney?  Is it because you are a liberal?  

Obama's a handsome guy, but he's raising taxes on the middle class (who don't have welfare) and small businesses to pay for universal health care.  There are a lot of Americans who are not happy with this.  

Romney's a smart successful guy who has done a lot in his life and achieved a lot.  It would be very interesting to have coffee with him.  

Actually, Romney can't have coffee either, as Mormons can't have that.

So it'd be non-alcoholic beer & decaf?

[Vern]

The election is close because both parties suck and truly don't know what they are doing and both parties played their parts in screwing America in the foot.

[Zioneer]

This election is NOT close.  Polls are full of s***.  Most Americans haven't started to pay attention to this yet.  As soon as they do and they compare Obama to Mittens they will either (A) stay home or (B) pull the lever for the guy in the White House.

Do you know who wins Presidential elections?  The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with.  Thinking otherwise is naive.

Why would you not want to have coffee with Romney?  Is it because you are a liberal?  

Obama's a handsome guy, but he's raising taxes on the middle class (who don't have welfare) and small businesses to pay for universal health care.  There are a lot of Americans who are not happy with this.  

Romney's a smart successful guy who has done a lot in his life and achieved a lot.  It would be very interesting to have coffee with him.  

Actually, Romney can't have coffee either, as Mormons can't have that.

So it'd be non-alcoholic beer & decaf?

Most Mormons shy away from both of those things, but technically, yes, he could have those.

[Donerail]

This election is NOT close.  Polls are full of s***.  Most Americans haven't started to pay attention to this yet.  As soon as they do and they compare Obama to Mittens they will either (A) stay home or (B) pull the lever for the guy in the White House.

Do you know who wins Presidential elections?  The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with.  Thinking otherwise is naive.

Why would you not want to have coffee with Romney?  Is it because you are a liberal? 

Obama's a handsome guy, but he's raising taxes on the middle class (who don't have welfare) and small businesses to pay for universal health care.  There are a lot of Americans who are not happy with this. 

Romney's a smart successful guy who has done a lot in his life and achieved a lot.  It would be very interesting to have coffee with him. 

Actually, Romney can't have coffee either, as Mormons can't have that.

So it'd be non-alcoholic beer & decaf?

Most Mormons shy away from both of those things, but technically, yes, he could have those.

So would these work?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

You're using BOB DOLE as an example of a credible Republican?! LOL Bob Dole was, is and will forever be (in my opinion) a liberal (which as a side note is why he lost to Clinton in 96). Of course his ideas are anathema to the Freedom Party.

I find it quite interesting you're using the term Freedom Party to refer to the GOP. Are you a fan of Harry Turtledove? The Southern Victory series is quite well done.

I used to think you were a good poster, but it is obvious you are a hack.  Southern Victory was not at all done well.  Turtledove can do some good writing, so long as it isn't longer than one novel in length, but his multivolume timelines are largely junk.  I only picked up the first volume of his new Supervolcano series because I thought it was a standalone.

[WhyteRain]

This election is NOT close.  Polls are full of s***.  Most Americans haven't started to pay attention to this yet.  As soon as they do and they compare Obama to Mittens they will either (A) stay home or (B) pull the lever for the guy in the White House.

Do you know who wins Presidential elections?  The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with.  Thinking otherwise is naive.

Why would you not want to have coffee with Romney?  Is it because you are a liberal?  

Obama's a handsome guy, but he's raising taxes on the middle class (who don't have welfare) and small businesses to pay for universal health care.  There are a lot of Americans who are not happy with this.  

Romney's a smart successful guy who has done a lot in his life and achieved a lot.  It would be very interesting to have coffee with him.  

Actually, Romney can't have coffee either, as Mormons can't have that.

So it'd be non-alcoholic beer & decaf?

Most Mormons shy away from both of those things, but technically, yes, he could have those.

I've read that Mormons eat a LOT of ice cream.

[Donerail]

You're using BOB DOLE as an example of a credible Republican?! LOL Bob Dole was, is and will forever be (in my opinion) a liberal (which as a side note is why he lost to Clinton in 96). Of course his ideas are anathema to the Freedom Party.

I find it quite interesting you're using the term Freedom Party to refer to the GOP. Are you a fan of Harry Turtledove? The Southern Victory series is quite well done.

I used to think you were a good poster, but it is obvious you are a hack.  Southern Victory was not at all done well.  Turtledove can do some good writing, so long as it isn't longer than one novel in length, but his multivolume timelines are largely junk.  I only picked up the first volume of his new Supervolcano series because I thought it was a standalone.

It's not that bad, compared to, say, a certain series that has sold 116 million copies in 38 different languages that's been/being made into 5 movies.

[Zioneer]

This election is NOT close.  Polls are full of s***.  Most Americans haven't started to pay attention to this yet.  As soon as they do and they compare Obama to Mittens they will either (A) stay home or (B) pull the lever for the guy in the White House.

Do you know who wins Presidential elections?  The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with.  Thinking otherwise is naive.

Why would you not want to have coffee with Romney?  Is it because you are a liberal?  

Obama's a handsome guy, but he's raising taxes on the middle class (who don't have welfare) and small businesses to pay for universal health care.  There are a lot of Americans who are not happy with this.  

Romney's a smart successful guy who has done a lot in his life and achieved a lot.  It would be very interesting to have coffee with him.  

Actually, Romney can't have coffee either, as Mormons can't have that.

So it'd be non-alcoholic beer & decaf?

Most Mormons shy away from both of those things, but technically, yes, he could have those.

I've read that Mormons eat a LOT of ice cream.

This is true; we really love snacks, desserts, and stuff that you could call "soul food", but Mormon-style. I should probably put up a post on Mormon culture, history and politics someday; I'm somewhat of an amateur (in a good way) historian when it comes to Mormonism.

EDIT: Also, yes, Postum and Diet Coke is fine, though some Mormons may still raise an eyebrow at that because it's only one step away from the prohibited drinks.

[Donerail]

So if stuff like alcohol and coffee is banned, is say rum cake or tiramisu prohibited as well?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Well, I know a Muslim who had to throw up after accidentally eating a cake with alcohol in it... So maybe it's similar with Mormons?

Wait. Oh wow.
I think Mitt Romney is a Muslim.

[Zioneer]

So if stuff like alcohol and coffee is banned, is say rum cake or tiramisu prohibited as well?

This isn't the right thread for this, but yes, rum cake is prohibited. Regarding tiramisu, I'm not sure... If the coffee can be replaced with a different concoction (like cocoa powder or whatnot), then it's fine. Otherwise, I think it'd be prohibited, but I'm not sure. Coffee is one of the things that is usually prohibited, but if it's in the recipe, it might be fine. I've never met an Italian Mormon, so I don't know for sure. European Mormons tend to be more easygoing on non-alcoholic food prohibitions.

[WhyteRain]

What about Devils Food Cake?

How about the nickname Mitt wants -- "The Stormin' Mormon"?

[rwoy]

This election is NOT close.  Polls are full of s***.  Most Americans haven't started to pay attention to this yet.  As soon as they do and they compare Obama to Mittens they will either (A) stay home or (B) pull the lever for the guy in the White House.

Do you know who wins Presidential elections?  The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with.  Thinking otherwise is naive.

Why would you not want to have coffee with Romney?  Is it because you are a liberal?  

Obama's a handsome guy, but he's raising taxes on the middle class (who don't have welfare) and small businesses to pay for universal health care.  There are a lot of Americans who are not happy with this.  

Romney's a smart successful guy who has done a lot in his life and achieved a lot.  It would be very interesting to have coffee with him.  

"The guy who most Americans would like to have a beer with."  I didn't say I wouldn't have coffee with him, I said more Americans would have beer with Obama because he comes off as more of a "regular guy".

[pbrower2a]

I gotta chuckle when people talk about "this mess" as if it's some temporary thing that can be gotten out of. With the debt as high as it is, fat chance. At least the Republicans seem to want to cut spending and make some progress.

Realistically though, you could raise taxes and cut spending to dangerous levels and still not solve this problem. So there's no getting out of this one.

Cutting the planned spending implies mass unemployment and huge increases in unplanned spending on 'relief'.

[t_host1]

With George W Bush and his merry band of Republican trolls subsidizing the richest Americans at the expense of everyone else, (not) financing two wars with tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans, destroying American credibility on the international stage, being woefully negligent during Hurricane Katrina,  and helping to create the conditions that wrecked the American economy; with all this discrediting the Right and the Republican Party for a generation, what does the Right do?

They move further to the Right.

The Tea Party is so ignorant and misinformed and downright hostile, with the likes of Beck, Hannity, Palin, Bachmann, King, Gohmert, Perry, Cain, West, DeMint, and many other jokers that troll the airwaves, the House of Representatives, the Senate, and other such venues- for a living. Ignorant, misguided hatred is profitable in 21st century America.

Now they want to punish the "elite" by running the most elite plutocrat of them all against Obama-the author of Obamacare (I'm sorry, Romneycare, but what's the difference, really?) I say, "Are you serious?" They loathe Romney, but they loathe Obama more.

On the Republican side, this election isn't about a positive reaction to Romney. It's about the visceral, primal, negative reaction that they have to Obama. It goes beyond politics for them, because at the end of the day, they don't really know or care about what is really happening in the world. They live in a fantasy.

But whatever. Vote in Romney for all you want. Just don't be surprised when you have buyer's remorse on, say, January 21, 2013.

/hackish rant over/

Remaining focused as this, can be commended, continue on… 

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I gotta chuckle when people talk about "this mess" as if it's some temporary thing that can be gotten out of. With the debt as high as it is, fat chance. At least the Republicans seem to want to cut spending and make some progress.

Realistically though, you could raise taxes and cut spending to dangerous levels and still not solve this problem. So there's no getting out of this one.

Cutting the planned spending implies mass unemployment and huge increases in unplanned spending on 'relief'.

Yep, so spend spend spend. And when the world stops trading in the USD and America can't just print money to make its interest payments, we'll see how many people are out of work then.