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Landslide Lyndon
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« on: July 29, 2011, 03:10:12 PM »

I'd love to hear Ernest on that. He is our resident constitutional scholar.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/28/balkin.obama.options/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

3 ways Obama could bypass Congress

By Jack M. Balkin


Are there other ways for the president to raise money besides borrowing?

Sovereign governments such as the United States can print new money. However, there's a statutory limit to the amount of paper currency that can be in circulation at any one time.
Ironically, there's no similar limit on the amount of coinage. A little-known statute gives the secretary of the Treasury the authority to issue platinum coins in any denomination. So some commentators have suggested that the Treasury create two $1 trillion coins, deposit them in its account in the Federal Reserve and write checks on the proceeds.

The government can also raise money through sales: For example, it could sell the Federal Reserve an option to purchase government property for $2 trillion. The Fed would then credit the proceeds to the government's checking account. Once Congress lifts the debt ceiling, the president could buy back the option for a dollar, or the option could simply expire in 90 days. And there are probably other ways that the Fed could achieve a similar result, by analogy to its actions during the 2008 financial crisis, when it made huge loans and purchases to bail out the financial sector.

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Assume, however, that even a prolonged government shutdown does not move Congress to act. Eventually paying only interest and vested obligations will prove unsustainable -- first because tax revenues will decrease as the economy sours, and second, because holders of government debt will conclude that a government that cannot act in a crisis is not trustworthy.

If the president reasonably believes that the public debt will be put in question for either reason, Section 4 comes into play once again. His predicament is caused by the combination of statutes that authorize and limit what he can do: He must pay appropriated monies, but he may not print new currency and he may not float new debt. If this combination of contradictory commands would cause him to violate Section 4, then he has a constitutional duty to treat at least one of the laws as unconstitutional as applied to the current circumstances.

This would be like a statute that ordered the president to hire 50 new employees provided that none of them is a woman. The second requirement violates the Constitution, so the president can hire the 50 employees and ignore the discriminatory provision.

Here the president would argue that existing appropriations plus the debt ceiling create an unconstitutional combination of commands. Therefore he chooses to obey the appropriations bill -- which was passed later in time anyway -- and ignores the debt ceiling. He orders the secretary of the Treasury to issue new debt sufficient to pay the government's bills as they come due.

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 03:19:45 PM »

Blatantly unconstitutional.

Article I Section 8 Clause 2 gives Congress sole authority to borrow on the credit of the United States.  There is no constitutional requirement that a President must spend everything Congress has authorized to be spent.

Not only that, Balkin's example is junk.  If Congress passed a law that 50 employees could be hired, but none of them were women, then even if it were unconstitutional (a doubtful idea) the only constitutional result of Obama acting on the premise that the law was unconstitutional would be that he couldn't hire any of the 50. (Assuming the law had no severability clause.)
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 03:22:01 PM »

The 14th Amendment idea will destroy the economy (and could even lead the Palin/Bachman ticket being elected).

The US could sell off assets, which could work.  It would be inflationary (and could even lead the Palin/Bachman ticket being elected).

I'm wondering if you could convert Yellowstone to condos?
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 03:23:55 PM »

Why would inflation help any Republican get elected? Inflation would help the economy and shore up Obama's re-election.

My favorite plan is to just mint $2 trillion worth of platinum coins, deposit them in the treasury, and call it a day.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 03:28:24 PM »

Why would inflation help any Republican get elected? Inflation would help the economy and shore up Obama's re-election.

My favorite plan is to just mint $2 trillion worth of platinum coins, deposit them in the treasury, and call it a day.

No thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 03:30:54 PM »

My biggest concern with the people who say that Obama should just go on borrowing: Aren't the money markets going to charge penalty interest for the fact that the borrowing is of a dubious legality, and thus they haven't got the full credit of the United States to guarantee the debt?
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 03:50:40 PM »

The 14th Amendment idea will destroy the economy (and could even lead the Palin/Bachman ticket being elected).

The US could sell off assets, which could work.  It would be inflationary (and could even lead the Palin/Bachman ticket being elected).

I'm wondering if you could convert Yellowstone to condos?

Well judging by J.J's belief that it won't work it sounds like this is the way to go!
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 04:14:25 PM »

'inflationary'?  oh man
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 06:39:19 PM »

I hope Obama does one of those things, just so I could have the satisfaction of seeing US bonds rated with the appropriate junk bond status.
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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 08:02:03 PM »
« Edited: July 29, 2011, 08:07:03 PM by Nathan »

My favorite plan is to just mint $2 trillion worth of platinum coins, deposit them in the treasury, and call it a day.

Anybody who's primarily worried about inflation in this employment situation is a dumb at best and an evil or at least an absolutely-unconcerned-with-the-plight-of-the-working-man-and-woman at worst. With the exception of the yen, the dollar is stronger against most major currencies than it's been in ages (though, granted, that's partly because of how deep in the crapper the economy of most of Europe is right now).
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 08:05:09 PM »

The 14th Amendment idea will destroy the economy (and could even lead the Palin/Bachman ticket being elected).

The US could sell off assets, which could work.  It would be inflationary (and could even lead the Palin/Bachman ticket being elected).

I'm wondering if you could convert Yellowstone to condos?

Well judging by J.J's belief that it won't work it sounds like this is the way to go!

I didn't say it wouldn't work; I said it would be inflationary. It could help the bond rating.  If you are not borrowing, that helps.
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