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Marijuana legalization in all 50 states
 
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Same-sex civil unions (or greater) in all 50 states
 
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« on: June 25, 2011, 11:25:45 PM »

Its your choose.
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 11:59:08 PM »

It's like 15 + DC to Zero at the moment, and I see the momentum behind gay marriage only accelerating in the next few years. Unfortunately prohibition will continue in most states for the foreseeable future, and you'll certainly never see a SCOTUS ruling legalizing it, like we might with civil unions/gay marriage.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 12:17:22 AM »

Good question.  My guess is gay marriage.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 03:41:52 AM »

I'd'a gone with the other option if that were true.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 11:23:16 AM »

Gay marriage, unquestionably. The industries fighting to keep marijuana illegalized are far more powerful, wealthy, and determined than whatever coalition is fighting to keep gays from marrying.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 11:42:48 PM »

If the states still get a say in the matter, neither of these things will be legal in all 50 states by the end of this century.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 11:44:04 PM »

If the states still get a say in the matter, neither of these things will be legal in all 50 states by the end of this century.

I don't think anybody could have predicted 1999 with accuracy in 1911.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 12:04:36 AM »

If the states still get a say in the matter, neither of these things will be legal in all 50 states by the end of this century.

I don't think anybody could have predicted 1999 with accuracy in 1911.

You're right, my previous post was a bit cocky.  Thank you.

Now that I think about it, I could see a majority of states legalizing pot in the next 25 years or so, but I don't think it'll ever be legal in all 50 states--barring a constitutional amendment.  As for gay marriage, in my state's constitution there is a provision limiting marriage to one man and one woman.  So, legalizing gay marriage would be a good bit tougher down here in Mississippi.  Once again, unless the Feds get involved, I don't think gay marriage will be legal in all 50 states.

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 11:15:47 AM »

Gay marriage, unquestionably. The industries fighting to keep marijuana illegalized are far more powerful, wealthy, and determined than whatever coalition is fighting to keep gays from marrying.

No. Just no. The main opposition to gay marriage comes from certain sections of the religious, and I assure you that not only do they have wealth and power they've got numbers. That equates to lots of votes, and supporting gay marriage would be death knell for many politicians where people of this stripe constitute a majority.

Many of these same people oppose pot legalization, but their opposition is not nearly as strident about it. As far as industries being against it, there aren't that many that are opposed to marijuana legalization in this day and age and their influence is far less because they don't control the votes.
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 11:17:11 AM »

the latter because it's far more likely to happen in one fell swoop by the judiciary.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 01:52:17 PM »

the latter because it's far more likely to happen in one fell swoop by the judiciary.

Pot legalization will within this century. Gays marrying in Indiana or the south not so much.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 02:00:13 PM »

This is kind of like asking in 1960 what would happen first:

--All 50 states legalize abortion
--All 50 states get civil rights

So, if history is any indicator then gay marriage and pot should both eventually become legal, but it will just be the work of the courts and not the state legislatures.



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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2011, 02:49:08 AM »

Same Sex Marriage.  Easily.

Why?  Two Words: Judicial Action.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2011, 03:37:36 AM »

Hell, I think it's entirely possible we'll have nationwide gay marriage in the next couple of years, even. If Justice Kennedy decides that he wants a really strong legacy on this issue for history to see, the Supreme Court could very well end up legalizing nationwide gay marriage in their eventual Perry v. Shwartzneggar decision.
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 11:35:58 AM »

This is kind of like asking in 1960 what would happen first:

--All 50 states legalize abortion
--All 50 states get civil rights

So, if history is any indicator then gay marriage and pot should both eventually become legal, but it will just be the work of the courts and not the state legislatures.



There wasn't any momentum in 1960 toward abortion legalization. That came a few years later. Meanwhile civil rights was a hot issue and supported in some form by both presidential candidates. Civil rights then was a case of the federal government up against those state governments who didn't want to protect equal rights. That can't be said right now about either gay marriage or pot. With DOMA, it's the feds who don't recognize state gay marriage, though that's changing with the Obama administrations interpretation of the law, and would flip completely in the other direction if the Court decided gay marriage was a fundamental right. Pot on the other hand will only be legalized if the states are given a chance to do so - now it's the feds who wont even allow states to have medical marijuana (the DOJ signaled it would but in reality little has changed)
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2011, 12:05:52 PM »

If the government could figure out how to regulate and tax pot sales, then pot sales would be legal. 

Til then, it comes in last place.
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 04:39:32 PM »

I see the Supreme Court going Roe V Wade for gay marriage in 5 or 10 years, so I would choose same sex marriage. Both should happen in all 50 states though.
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2011, 05:45:30 PM »

Civil Unions or greater, of course. The War on Drugs is never going to end, while eventually a court decision will force all fifty states to allow gay marriage.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2011, 05:48:42 PM »

Well the thing that makes the most sense for the country and society in general is marijuana legalization, so obviously in true American form the public will choose something totally irrelevant like gay marriage.
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2011, 06:08:18 PM »

Well the thing that makes the most sense for the country and society in general is marijuana legalization, so obviously in true American form the public will choose something totally irrelevant like gay marriage.

You think there is a greater right to get legally high than the rights of people to have their relationship recognised by the state?
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2011, 06:12:50 PM »

...something totally irrelevant like gay marriage.

For an issue so irrelevant to you, you certainly seem to have committed a sizeable chunk of your 36-post history (not to mention your very first post here) to the ghey.
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2011, 08:28:04 PM »

Well the thing that makes the most sense for the country and society in general is marijuana legalization, so obviously in true American form the public will choose something totally irrelevant like gay marriage.

You think there is a greater right to get legally high than the rights of people to have their relationship recognised by the state?

Is there any inherent need for any relationships to be recognized by the state?  If one's goal is anarchy (and I realize that neither of you appear to have that goal nor do I) then legalization of marijuana would be a positive step while having homosexual realationships be recognized by the state is but a case of homosexuals joining us heterosexuals in state bondage.
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2011, 08:13:18 AM »



A.  It is a way humanity gets to the next generation of song & dance, character and its heritage. Guys and Gals living among and by themselves is a comfort zone, however, a civil society advancement? - the jury is in, which has moved from a social norm to a politcal position
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