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« on: February 24, 2011, 12:04:09 PM »

http://www.frumforum.com/why-the-gop-couldnt-win-in-2008

Laura Ingraham just posed an important question to Donald Rumsfeld on her radio program.
Would Barack Obama be president today if the Iraq war had not happened?
Rumsfeld demurred, but the answer is clear to me at least: “No he would not. Hillary Clinton would be.”

Clinton’s early support for the Iraq war wounded her among Democratic primary voters. She might nonetheless have survived a challenge from an anti-war candidate who seemed extreme or unpresidential (ie, Howard Dean, Russell Feingold). She was lethally vulnerable to a plausible alternative, and in 2008, Barack Obama looked plausible.

But the victory of the Democratic nominee (whoever that might have been) over the Republican nominee (ditto) was all but inevitable in 2008. It is very, very important that Republicans recognize this fact, and the reasons for it.

Fundamental fact: the typical American worker took home less pay in 2007 than in the year 2000. Take-home pay stagnated even before the financial crisis and recession. And – the political scientists tell us – the performance of take-home pay is the single most important forecaster of election results.

Republicans do not accept this information. They think of 2008 as a near-thing, susceptible to “what ifs?” What if the financial crisis had hit a month later? What if the party had nominated a further-right conservative than John McCain? What if there had been no Iraq war? Answer: lose, lose, lose. The only way that George W. Bush could have handed off to a successor as Ronald Reagan did (and as a plurality of voters intended that Bill Clinton would) would have been to do what Reagan and Clinton did: preside over a long spell of economic improvement for most people. He didn’t, and so his party lost.

Republicans flinch from this observation, because it leads to the unwelcome question: What went wrong with GOP economic policy in 2002-2007?
Republicans have an ideological answer ready in hand: we spent too much. But that answer leads to more questions: where should we have spent less? Once the question gets specific, again Republicans get uncomfortable – because after all, we are pledged to spend more than the Democrats on the largest domestic social program, Medicare.

More urgently: Republicans seldom explain how exactly domestic overspending led to stagnating personal incomes. What’s the mechanism, as a matter of economics rather than ideology? It’s very difficult to see. And if the cause of income stagnation was not rising federal spending, then again the thinking becomes very uncomfortable.
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 12:17:53 PM »

Well, the standard of living for workers is plummeting even faster now, and most likely will for the rest of our lifetimes. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 10:22:37 PM »

The reason it gets uncomfortable is that too few have a genuine grasp of economics and on so many levels it is easier and thus more comfortable to use gov't as the solution and driving force in economic growth then it is to argue for letting the market do its thing. Letting the market do its thing means accepting cold hard realities in many cases and it knows no compassion, hence why it is uncomfortable for most people and while a complete embrace of libertarianism will never occur amongst the populace. The politicians are uncomfortable because they are smart enough to know what a tough pill it is to swallow. Telling someone there fate is at the whims of the market is far less appealing then offering real, instant solutions (gov't handouts of various sorts).

The causes, events and characteristics of the economy is a detailed economic debate, one beyond the understanding of the people for the most part and thus beyond the practical needs of the politicians who seek to cater. Indeed, economic debate in this country isn't so much the truth versus lies or good policy versus bad policy, but who can throw the tastiest bones at the angry dogs of populism. Obama and the Democrats tried to do what FDR did and throw all the blame at the private sector while using gov't as the solution. However the people were angry at both business and gov't, especially when the to came together to screw them in their eyes (Tarp). And thus sought the group going after both (even if just rhetorically). The best economic policy would be one immune to irrational political impulses from either side, which is of course impossible in a democracy.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 10:41:04 PM »

And he is not entirely correct. There are exceptions to every rule. The most powerfull would be a foreign policy crisis or a war. While I am not sure of the statistics on take-home pay from 1932 to 1940, most say that FDR would have lost had it not been for the turmoil in Europe and the desire for a strong leader in such times.

The fact of the matter is that there are a few plausible GOP victory scenarios prior to mid September. Yes, such a historical trend of the impact of declining take home pay would make such a win difficult, a win was still possible due to other varibles in elections which he conveniently ignores or discards based on a historical trend of one such variable. Plus its our business to make what-if scenarios, while his (and his associates) is to write nostaglic articles of the days of Ike and why the GOP is stupid, hopeless, or whatever the adjective of the day is for him.

Frum has is own area of discomfort as well, or atleast a giant blindspot that he can't adequately address or deal with, so he ignores it most of the time. And that is the quantifiable dissulusionment of the Republican party with its leadership. He has no real grasp of it and thus no solution. He doesn't even possess a desire or need to find one. His only response is to resort to beating the GOP base over the head with insults and condescension. 
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 11:44:18 PM »

The election was remarkably close given how many times McCain said that the fundamentals of the economy were sound. Even Hoover wasn't that out of touch.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 04:28:17 PM »

The GOP was screwed because their base was angry at the party.  The big spending to nominating a jerk like McCain sealed their fate.

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