If another great depression happened within in this decade.
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« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2010, 05:37:03 PM »

Well, no. But it was written in 1932.

EDIT: regardless, it's a mistake to analyse ideological tracts when looking at fascism; in part because there just aren't many, but also because they tended to be mindlessly vapid, largely a collection of slurs on other ideologies and justifications for whatever the fascist organisation in question was doing at the time. A violence-and-action fetish and an obsession with national decline-and-rebirth were (are, whatever) more important than attitudes to the 'state' (complicated *anyway* as not everyone agrees on the meaning of 'the state').

wow that is a very good definition of fascism and shows that your approach to history may involve the field of meta history.

Finally socioeconomic collapse may or may not happen in our life time,but it has happened a lot in history. In the end we could all speculate what the results of a socioeconomic collapse, but since so much of this involves guess work than it wouldn't be to far to assume that a socioeconomic collapse could lead to a utopia.

We've had several depressions throughout our history and we're overdue for one. I hope it doesn't happen but if it does it will be due to high taxes, inflation, and government intervention combined with political promises resulting in debt. Utopia? Dream on
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« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2010, 06:56:45 PM »

Well, no. But it was written in 1932.

EDIT: regardless, it's a mistake to analyse ideological tracts when looking at fascism; in part because there just aren't many, but also because they tended to be mindlessly vapid, largely a collection of slurs on other ideologies and justifications for whatever the fascist organisation in question was doing at the time. A violence-and-action fetish and an obsession with national decline-and-rebirth were (are, whatever) more important than attitudes to the 'state' (complicated *anyway* as not everyone agrees on the meaning of 'the state').

wow that is a very good definition of fascism and shows that your approach to history may involve the field of meta history.

Finally socioeconomic collapse may or may not happen in our life time,but it has happened a lot in history. In the end we could all speculate what the results of a socioeconomic collapse, but since so much of this involves guess work than it wouldn't be to far to assume that a socioeconomic collapse could lead to a utopia.

We've had several depressions throughout our history and we're overdue for one. I hope it doesn't happen but if it does it will be due to high taxes, inflation, and government intervention combined with political promises resulting in debt. Utopia? Dream on

the past few decades have seen some pretty big lows for inflation, and secondly core inflation has been on a downward trend for months now.
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« Reply #127 on: June 13, 2010, 07:09:04 PM »

This is nine pages too long.

The answer is "whichever party is in power at the time of the 2nd Great Depression will be lost for the next 25-50 years."
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« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2010, 07:19:14 PM »

That's true but unfortunate. It's alot more intellectually in depth than one party being in control.
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« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2010, 10:52:55 PM »

I realize that.  But so far, you have only talked about the economic impacts.  I'm asking you to talk about policies from the social aspect, not the economic aspect, and you have failed to do so.

So, I will ask yet again, discuss Obama's fascist tendencies from a SOCIAL policy point of view.

You have yet to give a response to how Obama has fascist tendencies from a social policy point of view
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« Reply #130 on: June 14, 2010, 12:15:20 AM »

I realize that.  But so far, you have only talked about the economic impacts.  I'm asking you to talk about policies from the social aspect, not the economic aspect, and you have failed to do so.

So, I will ask yet again, discuss Obama's fascist tendencies from a SOCIAL policy point of view.

You have yet to give a response to how Obama has fascist tendencies from a social policy point of view

No, that's been answered several times, just like every other question you've asked and I answered upon which you moved onto something else.
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« Reply #131 on: June 14, 2010, 12:18:53 AM »

Then Obama would lose reelection.
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« Reply #132 on: June 14, 2010, 12:30:03 AM »

I realize that.  But so far, you have only talked about the economic impacts.  I'm asking you to talk about policies from the social aspect, not the economic aspect, and you have failed to do so.

So, I will ask yet again, discuss Obama's fascist tendencies from a SOCIAL policy point of view.

You have yet to give a response to how Obama has fascist tendencies from a social policy point of view

No, that's been answered several times, just like every other question you've asked and I answered upon which you moved onto something else.

No - you said healthcare and failed to elaborate, so I asked you to name and explain another, and you have failed to do so.
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« Reply #133 on: June 14, 2010, 01:46:41 AM »

I realize that.  But so far, you have only talked about the economic impacts.  I'm asking you to talk about policies from the social aspect, not the economic aspect, and you have failed to do so.

So, I will ask yet again, discuss Obama's fascist tendencies from a SOCIAL policy point of view.

You have yet to give a response to how Obama has fascist tendencies from a social policy point of view

No, that's been answered several times, just like every other question you've asked and I answered upon which you moved onto something else.

No - you said healthcare and failed to elaborate, so I asked you to name and explain another, and you have failed to do so.

Inks, just let it go. It's not worth it. You're not going to get a satisfying answer, and you're certainly not going to change his mind, no matter how hard you try. It's an exercise in futility.
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« Reply #134 on: June 14, 2010, 01:47:31 AM »

I realize that.  But so far, you have only talked about the economic impacts.  I'm asking you to talk about policies from the social aspect, not the economic aspect, and you have failed to do so.

So, I will ask yet again, discuss Obama's fascist tendencies from a SOCIAL policy point of view.

You have yet to give a response to how Obama has fascist tendencies from a social policy point of view

No, that's been answered several times, just like every other question you've asked and I answered upon which you moved onto something else.

No - you said healthcare and failed to elaborate, so I asked you to name and explain another, and you have failed to do so.

I did elaborate quite a bit on healthcare. Just like I did on every other issue which you glossed over.
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« Reply #135 on: June 14, 2010, 02:07:01 AM »

stop bickering geez
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« Reply #136 on: June 14, 2010, 02:25:01 AM »

No - you elaborated on the economic aspects of healthcare.  What part of "social" are you not understanding.  But let's forget healthcare, since you refuse to acknowledge basic facts - give me another example and ELABORATE on it.
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