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« on: May 09, 2010, 12:53:31 PM »

Compare the major political parties in your country to U.S. major parties or their fractions.

Poland:

Democratic Left Alliance: Democrats

Civic Platform: Very moderate Republicans

Law and Justice: Teabbagers

Polish People's Party: Blue Dogs
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 01:00:35 PM »

Austria

SPÖ: Left/Centrist-wing of the Democrats
Greens: Probably the US Greens, because the Austrian Greens would be on the Far Left of the Democrats
KPÖ: Something like this doesn´t exist in the US (and in Austria either, except in Graz)

ÖVP: Centrist/Right-wing of the Democrats, liberal wing of Republicans
BZÖ: same like ÖVP, slightly more to the Right
FPÖ: Centrist/right GOPers, Tea-partiers

HP Martin: Ralph Nader type of guy, kill-joy
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010, 01:14:09 PM »
« Edited: May 09, 2010, 01:36:10 PM by Vote Yellow, Get Blue »

Labour: Very (small L) liberal Democrats
Conservatives: Susan Collins/Olympia Snowe style Republicans
Liberal Democrats: Blue Dogs
UKIP: Teabaggers
BNP: Teabaggers/Constitution Party
The Greens: ...The Greens.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 01:28:48 PM »

France :

Far left : No real party in America, probably a bunch of sectarian groups
PCF : Maybe parties like "socialist workers", a part of the Green party, etc...
Greens : Most of the Green party, the far-left of Democrats
PS : Progressive democrats for most of them, from Kucinich (Emmanuelli) to Obama (DSK)
MRC/PRG : Probably nobody there
MoDem : Center-left democrats (the libertarian-leaning ones)
NC/PSLE : The same, just slightly more to the right. Some liberal republicans could also find a place there.
UMP : Blue dogs (people like Bayh or Lieberman), most of liberal republicans (Sarkozy and the "hard right"),  the most moderates beetween the mainstream republicans (=the party's far-right fringe, with guys like Hortefeux, Novelli and co) and a handful of libertarians (the "ultra-liberals").
MPF : Most of the religious right and the mainstream GOP, teabaggers, Palin and other retards
FN : Not so many people there, probably the racist fringe of anti-immigrationists
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 04:31:26 PM »

Canada:
Conservatives: Split all the way from moderate Democrats and Blue Dogs to right-wing Republicans. The Red Tories might be liberal Republicans, while some Tory MPs would fit in will with the right-wing of the Republican Party.
Liberals: Democrats, from the ethnic minority Democrats to liberal Democrats including a good share of Blue Dogs
NDP: The left-wing of the Democrats
Greens: liberal Democrats

France:
PCF: Fringe left
Greens: Greenies or very liberal Democrats
PS: Democrats, including old Blue Dog Dixiecrats all the way to left-wing Democrats
MoDem: The party has no real ideology apart from being the personal machine of a man with varying opinions and no use except losing elections
NC and centrist wing of UMP: liberal Republicans, or moderate Democrats (not Blue Dog as they're not socially conservative)
UMP: liberal Republicans, mainstream GOP and a handful of Paulites. In reality, o/c, a vast majority of the UMP supported Obama except for Kaci's faction and I *think* a few Villepinistes (Tron, maybe. Likely misremembering).
MPF and PCD: Religious right and other assorted retards, some paleocons
FN: The PROTECT THE MURICAN BORDERS folks in Arizona

Also, Antonio, PSLE doesn't exist anymore - it was just an early 'other name' for the NC.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 12:40:09 PM »

Labour: Very (small L) liberal Democrats
Conservatives: Susan Collins/Olympia Snowe style Republicans
Liberal Democrats: Blue Dogs
UKIP: Teabaggers
BNP: Teabaggers/Constitution Party
The Greens: ...The Greens.

Agree with the exception of LibDems, who seem to fit well as traditional Democrats. Blue Dogs are much too conservative.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 12:55:10 PM »

Labour: Very (small L) liberal Democrats
Conservatives: Susan Collins/Olympia Snowe style Republicans
Liberal Democrats: Blue Dogs
UKIP: Teabaggers
BNP: Teabaggers/Constitution Party
The Greens: ...The Greens.

Calling the Lib Dems Blue Dogs tends to ignore the type of people that are Blue Dogs (conservative, populist Southerners).  I'd say the Lib Dems are closer to Bill Clinton's New Democrats: pro free-trade and multilateralism in foreign policy, a more right wing domestic tack than Labour/the pre-90s Democratic Party, very big on international institutions, socially somewhat liberal.

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 12:57:16 PM »

Labour: Very (small L) liberal Democrats
Conservatives: Susan Collins/Olympia Snowe style Republicans
Liberal Democrats: Blue Dogs
UKIP: Teabaggers
BNP: Teabaggers/Constitution Party
The Greens: ...The Greens.

Calling the Lib Dems Blue Dogs tends to ignore the type of people that are Blue Dogs (conservative, populist Southerners).  I'd say the Lib Dems are closer to Bill Clinton's New Democrats: pro free-trade and multilateralism in foreign policy, a more right wing domestic tack than Labour/the pre-90s Democratic Party, very big on international institutions, socially somewhat liberal.



You put it better than me, perhaps I should have used mainstream rather than traditional.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 01:09:01 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2010, 01:10:34 PM by Verily »

Labour: Very (small L) liberal Democrats
Conservatives: Susan Collins/Olympia Snowe style Republicans
Liberal Democrats: Blue Dogs
UKIP: Teabaggers
BNP: Teabaggers/Constitution Party
The Greens: ...The Greens.

Calling the Lib Dems Blue Dogs tends to ignore the type of people that are Blue Dogs (conservative, populist Southerners).  I'd say the Lib Dems are closer to Bill Clinton's New Democrats: pro free-trade and multilateralism in foreign policy, a more right wing domestic tack than Labour/the pre-90s Democratic Party, very big on international institutions, socially somewhat liberal.



You put it better than me, perhaps I should have used mainstream rather than traditional.

Labour are also definitely not "very liberal Democrats", either. In many ways, they are on the conservative side of the modern Democrats. They are very similar to the union-affiliated branches of the Democratic Party, which are often among the most conservative save the Blue Dogs (especially socially). Plus the minorities, of course. But places like Appalachia would be very Labour in Britain (similar to the Welsh Valleys or the Black Country), and they are hardly liberal in any sense (and very Republican, although most of Appalachia was Democratic until the 1990s).

The Lib Dems are definitely not the Blue Dogs. They are the American white urban liberals, who are another branch of the Democratic Party that is far more liberal but often less leftist than the union branches. (Also, they're traditionally Republican, not Democratic, although some of that group would be Conservatives in Britain; the Upper East Side, for example.)
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 01:51:16 PM »

The Dem primary is a good guide, the Hillary voters would mostly be Labour, the Obama ones Lib Dem (except blacks who probably would be mostly Labour.) A lot of Obama voters in the general would be Tories too, though they probably didn't vote much in the primary, I'm thinking of the affluent areas that swung heavily toward Obama and probably won't have any permanent movement toward the Democrats unless the GOP keep making people like Palin the driving force of the party.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 03:04:53 PM »

The Dem primary is a good guide, the Hillary voters would mostly be Labour, the Obama ones Lib Dem (except blacks who probably would be mostly Labour.) A lot of Obama voters in the general would be Tories too, though they probably didn't vote much in the primary, I'm thinking of the affluent areas that swung heavily toward Obama and probably won't have any permanent movement toward the Democrats unless the GOP keep making people like Palin the driving force of the party.

Certainly true. The Clinton/Obama primary divide is roughly close to the Labour/Lib Dem divide (although obviously with blacks going Labour).
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 12:07:29 AM »

Of course Obama would undoubtedly be a Labour member (he'd never stand a prayer getting elected to the State Senate otherwise.) Hillary probably would be Labour too due to circumstances, though I don't think New York would be a strong Labour state and she'd probably get elected from elsewhere (and course Gillibrand would have to be a Liberal Democrat just because her House seat would be an absolute nightmare for Labour. It'd be just as competitive in the UK system as it is now, but only Tory/Lib Dem. Upstate New York overall would be horrendous for Labour besides the Buffalo area and maybe Albany.)
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