Is this area more urban or suburban?

[phk]

Along with BRTD's debate on Minneapolis. Here are some photos. Let me know what you consider this area. I consider it a sort of "Urbanized Suburban".

[King]

Reminds me of Albuquerque.

Looks like a urbanized suburb--grows horizontally instead of vertically.

[Kevin]

Along with BRTD's debate on Minneapolis. Here are some photos. Let me know what you consider this area. I consider it a sort of "Urbanized Suburban".

Depends,

Where is it?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Dense suburb?  The growth is denser than your average suburb... but it still seems to have all the other primary characteristics of suburbs.

[Torie]

That church in the background of the grass playing field with the young men perambulating on it kind of looks like this montrosity:

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Urban

[Smash255]

Montgomery County Maryland?  Around Silver Spring perhaps?

[Torie]

Montgomery County Maryland?  Around Silver Spring perhaps?

I think it is in the Golden Triangle of north San Diego. I think I recognize the LDS Temple in the background, which I put up as my own pic above. I could be wrong of course, but I tend to doubt it.

[muon2]

Montgomery County Maryland?  Around Silver Spring perhaps?

I think it is in the Golden Triangle of north San Diego. I think I recognize the LDS Temple in the background, which I put up as my own pic above. I could be wrong of course, but I tend to doubt it.

I was thinking So Cal as well. There are hills and in this shot the vegetation is consistent with that area.



As for the question, it's not suburban in the modern sprawl sense that BRTD often complains about. It's often hard to tell the city from suburbs in areas that have filled in.

[Lunar]

So many shots of the soccer field sort of give the impression of a college campus in a moderately sized city.  

And of course it's Southern California, that's not up for debate.

And yeah, Torie's right on the LDS bit I think.  Reminds me of when I visited SLC

[Smash255]

Montgomery County Maryland?  Around Silver Spring perhaps?

I think it is in the Golden Triangle of north San Diego. I think I recognize the LDS Temple in the background, which I put up as my own pic above. I could be wrong of course, but I tend to doubt it.

I was thinking So Cal as well. There are hills and in this shot the vegetation is consistent with that area.



As for the question, it's not suburban in the modern sprawl sense that BRTD often complains about. It's often hard to tell the city from suburbs in areas that have filled in.

Ahh yes, taking a look at the hills and vegetation again I have no clue why I was think MD.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I voted urban, since it kind of resembles the area where one of the biggest "scene" venues in Minneapolis is. Which incidentally is mostly a Somali ghetto. A white person not wearing a band shirt there is an odd site.

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How can you consider that to be urban?  It's suburban for sure.

Urban





Not urban:

[King]

I was going to say that BRTD lives with the cutesy Minnesotan urban, but since it's Snowguy representing the other side of the argument... uh...


South Park!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

How can you consider that to be urban?  It's suburban for sure.

*pics*

Well if Minneapolis isn't urban, where is the urban area? You can't have suburban areas without an urban one.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

"Inner Burb"

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=&ie=UTF8&ll=43.771134,-79.468791&spn=0.034894,0.077162&t=f&z=14&ecpose=43.78230376,-79.53587109,4220.38,102.963,53.874,0

This is North York, Ontario. Part of Toronto.

The building I live in would be at the bottom of your screen.

[Bo]

Urban.

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How can you consider that to be urban?  It's suburban for sure.

*pics*

Well if Minneapolis isn't urban, where is the urban area? You can't have suburban areas without an urban one.

I never said Minneapolis didn't have urban areas.  But Minneapolis is a surprisingly low dense city with the vast majority of the city being single family homes along leafy streets.  They were called "Streetcar suburbs" back in the day.

But I tend to consider urban areas as areas that are quite dense with lots of multi story multi-home buildings, and the commercial and residential areas well mixed.  In most of Minneapolis you either have to walk quite a distance for very limited services or you drive or take transit.

It's not like when I lived in Salzburg 2 blocks from the Salzach and had 4 restaurants on the small street I lived on plus pretty much every necessity you could need including kitchen appliances within a 5-10 minute walk.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

It's not like when I lived in Salzburg 2 blocks from the Salzach and had 4 restaurants on the small street I lived on plus pretty much every necessity you could need including kitchen appliances within a 5-10 minute walk.

Actually that sounds exactly like my neighborhood. You can buy kitchen appliances on Lake Street.

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It's not like when I lived in Salzburg 2 blocks from the Salzach and had 4 restaurants on the small street I lived on plus pretty much every necessity you could need including kitchen appliances within a 5-10 minute walk.

Actually that sounds exactly like my neighborhood. You can buy kitchen appliances on Lake Street.

No offense, but I doubt your neighborhood is anything like the dense core of Salzburg, Austria.  Single family homes are unheard.  You can't even drive on the streets... pedestrian only.. and every building has businesses on the first floor with housing upstairs.

[muon2]

It's not like when I lived in Salzburg 2 blocks from the Salzach and had 4 restaurants on the small street I lived on plus pretty much every necessity you could need including kitchen appliances within a 5-10 minute walk.

Actually that sounds exactly like my neighborhood. You can buy kitchen appliances on Lake Street.

No offense, but I doubt your neighborhood is anything like the dense core of Salzburg, Austria.  Single family homes are unheard.  You can't even drive on the streets... pedestrian only.. and every building has businesses on the first floor with housing upstairs.

I've been to both neighborhoods and I'll side with BRTD. The architecture is far older in Salzburg and the wider grid streets in Minneapolis give it quite a different feel, but the urban densities are quite similar. Minneapolis is listed with 2,595 persons/km², and Salzburg has 2,288 persons/km².

[Ban my account ffs!]

It's not like when I lived in Salzburg 2 blocks from the Salzach and had 4 restaurants on the small street I lived on plus pretty much every necessity you could need including kitchen appliances within a 5-10 minute walk.

Actually that sounds exactly like my neighborhood. You can buy kitchen appliances on Lake Street.

No offense, but I doubt your neighborhood is anything like the dense core of Salzburg, Austria.  Single family homes are unheard.  You can't even drive on the streets... pedestrian only.. and every building has businesses on the first floor with housing upstairs.

I've been to both neighborhoods and I'll side with BRTD. The architecture is far older in Salzburg and the wider grid streets in Minneapolis give it quite a different feel, but the urban densities are quite similar. Minneapolis is listed with 2,595 persons/km², and Salzburg has 2,288 persons/km².

He is saying that the neighborhood I lived in in Salzburg was comparable to his.  I was pointing out that it isn't.  I lived in the center of the city.

Here are some nice pictures of urban Minneapolis


Lightrail usage is way beyond expectations and all stations have been lengthened to hold 3 car trains


People headed in to catch a Twins game


The Twins Stadium is our new pride and joy, after all.

[muon2]

It's not like when I lived in Salzburg 2 blocks from the Salzach and had 4 restaurants on the small street I lived on plus pretty much every necessity you could need including kitchen appliances within a 5-10 minute walk.

Actually that sounds exactly like my neighborhood. You can buy kitchen appliances on Lake Street.

No offense, but I doubt your neighborhood is anything like the dense core of Salzburg, Austria.  Single family homes are unheard.  You can't even drive on the streets... pedestrian only.. and every building has businesses on the first floor with housing upstairs.

I've been to both neighborhoods and I'll side with BRTD. The architecture is far older in Salzburg and the wider grid streets in Minneapolis give it quite a different feel, but the urban densities are quite similar. Minneapolis is listed with 2,595 persons/km², and Salzburg has 2,288 persons/km².

He is saying that the neighborhood I lived in in Salzburg was comparable to his.  I was pointing out that it isn't.  I lived in the center of the city.

Here are some nice pictures of urban Minneapolis


Lightrail usage is way beyond expectations and all stations have been lengthened to hold 3 car trains


People headed in to catch a Twins game


The Twins Stadium is our new pride and joy, after all.

I was not comparing Salzburg to downtown Mpls. Downtown Mpls has a far greater urban density than Salzburg's Altstadt. I was comparing it to the area along Lake street which has a mix of multi-family and mixed-use buildings, often in the same height range as in central Salzburg. I included the over all density numbers to note that Salzburg also spreads out enough in its outer neighborhoods to be comparable to Mpls in overall density.