Should the US limit increases of international students ?

[lfromnj]

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23428166/college-enrollment-population-education-crash
Starting in 2026 the college bubble should be on track for a collapse. However we can see from our neighbors up north the colleges have merely resorted to importing hundreds of thousands of international students. Would it better to force this to collapse by restricting an increase in immigration for international students? I am not arguing to decrease current levels. I would probably put at like 10% extra of current levels.

[DavidB.]

Yes and it should admit much fewer international students. Not for its own sake, but because other countries should not be infected by the toxic ideology that is rife on US campuses.

[OSR stands with Israel]

We 100% should not model Canada where they are handing out Student Visas for people to attend community colleges

[Ferguson97]

Not only should dramatically increase the number of international students, but we need to add incentives so that they stay in America after they finish their degrees. Why shouldn’t we be trying to poach talent from our adversaries? It’s a win-win. We get new, high-income citizens without having to invest in the first 18 years of their lives, we get a new generation of talent with a fresh perspective on the world, and we take talent away from other countries like China once we add in the incentives to have them stay.

This is frankly a no-brainer.

[lfromnj]

Not only should dramatically increase the number of international students, but we need to add incentives so that they stay in America after they finish their degrees. Why shouldn’t we be trying to poach talent from our adversaries? It’s a win-win. We get new, high-income citizens without having to invest in the first 18 years of their lives, we get a new generation of talent with a fresh perspective on the world, and we take talent away from other countries like China once we add in the incentives to have them stay.

This is frankly a no-brainer.

The wave of students who have been going to Canada are certainly not high quality nor do they have much talent. What is going to happen in 2026 is all the low tier colleges are going to try to import these same groups of people from around the world in a last desperate attempt to stay afloat. The higher tier colleges will be mostly fine although with a slightly reduced student quality.

[Horus]

Absolutely.

[Ferguson97]

The wave of students who have been going to Canada are certainly not high quality nor do they have much talent.

... Yeah, a comment like this is going to need elaboration. Also, we’re talking about America, not Canada.

The other thing that contradicts Ferguson's argument, is that most of the international students who study in Canada don't stay in Canada after they're done their degrees. They either return to their countries of origin or go to another country.

How poor is your reading comprehension that you think this contradicts my argument?

[vitoNova]

Imagine closing your borders to the next Copernicus / Galileo / Newton / Einstein.   

Why is this even a debate?  lol

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Probably No

[Battista Minola 1616]

Not only should dramatically increase the number of international students, but we need to add incentives so that they stay in America after they finish their degrees. Why shouldn’t we be trying to poach talent from our adversaries? It’s a win-win. We get new, high-income citizens without having to invest in the first 18 years of their lives, we get a new generation of talent with a fresh perspective on the world, and we take talent away from other countries like China once we add in the incentives to have them stay.

This is frankly a no-brainer.

I am curious about how this applies to the substantial majority of international students in the USA who are not from China (unless you consider India an "adversary", which would be quite odd), of whom I assume very few seriously considered studying in China instead of the United States.

[lfromnj]

https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/conestoga-college-to-see-largest-international-enrolment-drop-in-2024-province-says/article_b355c73b-a762-530d-ad16-6efa9873c9a8.html

No institution in Ontario can exceed its 2023 international student levels, and the number of new international permits cannot exceed 55 per cent of the institution’s 2023 first-year domestic enrolment, except in priority programs.

Meanwhile, Wilfrid Laurier University and the University of Waterloo will maintain international enrolment numbers from 2023, according to a release from the Ministry of Colleges and Universities on Wednesday afternoon.

Seems that Canada has finally started to do it. Conestoga which has around 40k total students with 30k of them being international and is effectively a community college is now forced to lower it to 8k. It probably won't ever get as bad as it was/is in Canada because they allow international students in community college but colleges will try to find every loophole they can.

There are definitely advantages of international students. I recently found out the Harvard Kennedy school which is basically a CIA training program for world leaders which is quite based .

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

The problem isn't how many we admit it's how many we are unable to keep. I think we should keep student visas roughly the same but make it so that anyone who graduates gets automatic permanent residency.

I do think, however, that we should reallocate them in a way that is more favorable to pro-American countries like India instead of rich students from the middle east.