Johnson does Not Run 1964

[Dancing with Myself]

Johnson Does not Run-1964

Despite attempts to convince President Johnson to run, Johnson declines due to Poor health conditions, and a desire to return to the senate. “I didn’t want to be here to begin with, I was going to resign to run for the Senate before Kennedy was shot”.



With this bombshell, the race is wide open, with no president or vice president running for the first time since the 1928 election. There are no clear favorites for the two party’s nomination; also the candidates must fight for delegates. Primaries are instrumented for the first time in all 50 states.

Also, a surprise is the third party candidate Barry Goldwater, who announced his intentions to run before any other Candidate. He is not expected to win, however it is projected that he will take away republican votes, enough to give Democrats the victory.
But the republicans are trying to prove this wrong.



Let’s Skip to January 1964:

Democratic Primary Candidates:

Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota
Governor George Wallace of Alabama
Governor Pat Brown of California
Senator Stuart Symington of Missouri

Republican Prmiary Canidates:

Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York
Governor George A. Romney of Michigan
Senator Henry Cabot Lodge of Mass
Governor Harold Stassen
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Coming up: Iowa and New Hampshire

[Bo]

Humphrey 1964!!!! He should be able to win, considering that the economy was in good shape and that the U.S. was not involved in any unpopular foreign wars (does LBJ still escalate the Vietnam War with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution?).

[Bo]

why is kennedy not running?

Maybe he feels it's too soon for him, after his brother's assasination and all.

[Dancing with Myself]

No Johnson does nothing to escalate Vietnam, he is focused on keeping the domestic side in the right track, while running his senate campaign.

Bobby is running for the NY senate seat as in RL. Ted is in the senate, running for re-election.

BTW: Johnson's senate contest is special election forhis old seat against John Tower. The other Texas senate election is between Ralph Yarborough and George H.W. Bush.

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Romney `64!

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January 20th 1964: Iowa Cacusus:

The first ever full primary season is started by the Iowa cacuses.


Democratic Primary Candidates Pre Polling

Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota 45%
Governor George Wallace of Alabama 30%
Governor Pat Brown of California 15%
Senator Stuart Symington of Missouri 10%



Republican Prmiary Canidates:

Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York 35%
Governor George A. Romney of Michigan 35%
Senator Henry Cabot Lodge of Mass 30%
Governor Harold Stassen 5%


Democratic Winner Humphrey 47%
Wallace 28%
Brown 13%
Symington 8%


Senator Humphrey The Iowa Cacus Winner


Republican Winner: Rockefeller 40%
Romney 37%
Lodge 28%
Stassen 3%


Governor Rockefeller: The Iowa Cacus Winner

Democratic primary map

Republican primary Map:

1-28-64 New Hampshire:


Democratic Primary Candidates Pre Polling

Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota 50%
Governor George Wallace of Alabama 35%
Governor Pat Brown of California 10%
Senator Stuart Symington of Missouri 10%



Republican Prmiary Canidates:

Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York 25%
Governor George A. Romney of Michigan 25%
Senator Henry Cabot Lodge of Mass 25%
Governor Harold Stassen 25%

Democratic Winner: Humphrey 51%
Wallace 34%
Brown 11%
Symington 9%

Republican Winner: Lodge 30%
Rockefeller 29.7%
Romney 27%
Stassen 25%

The New Hampshire Primary is one of the Hardest fought Primaries ever. The four candidates had a chance to win, but Lodge’s Homespun campaign defeated the more developed Rockefeller and Romney campaigns. Even Stassen had a chance to win.


Democratic Map:

Republican Map:

Coming Up: 4 More States.

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2-04-64: Florida and Michigan Primaries:

Before The Primaries occurred in the two states Stassen drops out and refuses to endorse anyone until the convention. Brown also drops out.

Pre-Polls for Democratic Florida Primaries

Wallace: 40%
Humphrey: 33%
Symington 23%

Pre Polls for Democratic Michigan Primaries:

Humphrey: 40%
Wallace: 39%
Symington: 21%


Pre-Polls for Republican Florida Primaries:
Romney: 40%
Lodge: 35%
Rockefeller: 25%


Pre Polls for Republican Michigan Primaries:
Romney: 65%
Rockefeller: 20%
Lodge: 25%


Democratic Florida Winner: Wallace 45%
Humphrey: 34%
Symington: 21%

Democratic Michigan Winner: Wallace 41%
Humphrey 40.9%
Symington 28%


Governor Wallace winner of Both Florida and Michigan

Republican Florida Winner: Romney 43%
Lodge: 35%
Rockefeller 22%

Republican Michigan Winner: Romney 67%
Rockefeller 18%
Lodge 15%


Governor Romney Winner of both Florida and Michigan.

2-06-64: North and South Dakota Primaries:

Democratic North Dakota pre-polls:

Humphrey 55%
Wallace 30%
Symington 25%

Democratic South Dakota pre-polls:

Humhrey 52%
Wallace 32%
Symington 16%

Republican North Dakota primaries:

Lodge: 45%
Rockefeller: 35%
Romney: 20%

Republican South Dakota Primaries:

Rockefeller 50%
Romney: 35%
Lodge: 25%

Democratic South Dakota Winner: Humphrey 57%
Wallace: 28%
Symington: 23%

Democratic North Dakota Winner: Humphrey 56%
Symington: 30%
Wallace: 19%


Senator Humphrey Winner of Both ND and SD Primaries

Republican North Dakota Winner: Lodge 49%
Romney: 31%
Rockefeller: 20%

Republican South Dakota Winner: Rockefeller 52%
Romney: 33%
Lodge: 15%


Senator Lodge winner of ND primary.

Democratic Map:

Republican Map:

Coming Up; 5 More States.

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2-10-64: Vermont and Mass Primaries:

Democratic Vermont pre-polls:

Symington: 39%
Humphrey: 31%
Wallace: 30%

Democratic Mass primaries pre-polls

Humphrey: 52%
Symington: 30%
Wallace: 17%


Republican Vermont Pre Polls:

Lodge: 55%
Rockefeller: 33%
Romney: 12%

Republican Mass Pre-Polls:

Lodge: 70%
Romney: 15%
Rockefeller: 15%

Democratic Vermont Winner: Symington 43%
Humphrey: 40%
Wallace: 17%

Democratic Mass Winner: Humphrey 54%
Symington: 35%
Wallace: 11%


Symington the Surprise winner

Republican Vermont Winner: Lodge: 56%
Rockefeller: 34 %
Romney: 20%

Republican Mass Winner: Lodge 72%
Romney: 13%
Rockefeller: 11%


 Lodge the winner of both primaries

2-12-64: South Carolina, Nebraska, and Wyoming primaries

Democratic South Carolina pre-Polls:

Wallace 45%
Humphrey: 43%
Symington: 12%

Democratic Nebraska Pre-Polls:

Humphrey: 40%
Symington: 35%
Wallace: 25%

Democratic Wyoming Pre-Polls:

Humphrey: 50%
Symington: 29%
Wallace: 21%


Republican South Carolina Pre-Polls:

Romney: 40%
Lodge: 35%
Rockefeller: 25%

Republican Nebraska Pre-Polls:

Rockefeller: 40%
Lodge: 35%
Romney: 25%

Republican Wyoming Pre-Polls:

Romney 50%
Lodge: 39%
Rockefeller: 11%

Democratic South Carolina Winner: Wallace 50%
Humphrey: 47%
Symington: 3%


Democratic Nebraska Winner: Humphrey 45%
Symington: 30%
Wallace 25%

Democratic Wyoming Winner: Humphrey 51%
Symington 28%
Wallace 20%

Republican South Carolina Winner: Romney 45%
Lodge 35%
Rockefeller: 20%

Republican Nebraska Winner: Rockefeller 43%
Lodge 36%
Romney: 11%

Republican Wyoming Winner: Romney 52%
Lodge: 37%
Rockefeller: 9%

Coming Up: Super Tuesday

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2-10-64: Vermont and Mass Primaries:

Democratic Vermont pre-polls:

Symington: 39%
Humphrey: 31%
Wallace: 30%

Democratic Mass primaries pre-polls

Humphrey: 52%
Symington: 30%
Wallace: 17%


Republican Vermont Pre Polls:

Lodge: 55%
Rockefeller: 33%
Romney: 12%

Republican Mass Pre-Polls:

Lodge: 70%
Romney: 15%
Rockefeller: 15%

Democratic Vermont Winner: Symington 43%
Humphrey: 40%
Wallace: 17%

Democratic Mass Winner: Humphrey 54%
Symington: 35%
Wallace: 11%


Symington the Surprise winner

Republican Vermont Winner: Lodge: 56%
Rockefeller: 34 %
Romney: 20%

Republican Mass Winner: Lodge 72%
Romney: 13%
Rockefeller: 11%


 Lodge the winner of both primaries

2-12-64: South Carolina, Nebraska, and Wyoming primaries

Democratic South Carolina pre-Polls:

Wallace 45%
Humphrey: 43%
Symington: 12%

Democratic Nebraska Pre-Polls:

Humphrey: 40%
Symington: 35%
Wallace: 25%

Democratic Wyoming Pre-Polls:

Humphrey: 50%
Symington: 29%
Wallace: 21%


Republican South Carolina Pre-Polls:

Romney: 40%
Lodge: 35%
Rockefeller: 25%

Republican Nebraska Pre-Polls:

Rockefeller: 40%
Lodge: 35%
Romney: 25%

Republican Wyoming Pre-Polls:

Romney 50%
Lodge: 39%
Rockefeller: 11%

Democratic South Carolina Winner: Wallace 50%
Humphrey: 47%
Symington: 3%


Democratic Nebraska Winner: Humphrey 45%
Symington: 30%
Wallace 25%

Democratic Wyoming Winner: Humphrey 51%
Symington 28%
Wallace 20%

Republican South Carolina Winner: Romney 45%
Lodge 35%
Rockefeller: 20%

Republican Nebraska Winner: Rockefeller 43%
Lodge 36%
Romney: 11%

Republican Wyoming Winner: Romney 52%
Lodge: 37%
Rockefeller: 9%

Democratic map:

Republican Map:

Coming Up: Super Tuesday

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Super Tuesday `64: 3-03-64

We are going to skip right to the results first the democrats

Alabama: Wallace 75%
Symington 20%
Humphrey 5%

Arizona: Humphrey 55%
Wallace: 30%
Symington 25%

Alaska: Humphrey 60%
Wallace 30%
Symington 10%

Arkansas: Wallace 65%
Humphrey 20%
Symington 15%

California: Humphrey 60%
Wallace 20%
Symington 19%

Colorado: Symington 40%
Humphrey 39%
Wallace 21%

Connecticut: Humphrey 60%
Symington: 21%
Wallace: 19%

Delaware: Humphrey 55%
Wallace: 35%
Symington: 10%

Georgia; Wallace 70%
Symington: 25%
Humphrey 5%

Hawaii: Humphrey 65%
Symington  25%
Wallace: 10%

Idaho: Humphrey 60%
Symington 25%
Wallace 15%

Illinois: Humphery 60%
Wallace 25%
Symington 15%

Kansas: Wallace 39%
Humphrey 35%
Symington: 26%

Louisiana: Wallace 65%
Symington 25%
Humphrey: 10%

Minnesota:  Humphrey 80%
Symington: 10%
Wallace: 9%

Missouri: Symington 70%
Wallace 20%
Humphrey 9%

Montana: Humphery 65%
Wallace 25%
Symington 10%

Nevada: Symington 40%
Humphrey 38%
Wallace 22%

New Jersey: Humphrey 70%
Symington 25%
Wallace 5%

New Mexico: Symington 50%
Wallace 35%
Humphrey 15%

Washington: Humphrey 60%
Wallace 25%
Symington 15%

Because of his performance, Symington Drops out.

Democratic Map:

Next Republican Super Tuesday.

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Not every state had primaries back then, and they were MUCH less influential with regards to determining the nominee. Continue, nonetheless.

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Super-anachronistic.

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Super-anachronistic.

Indeed, Super Tuesday was not coined until the 80's.

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This is a FANTASY, it' supposed to be different.

[President Mitt]

Yes but I don't see how the POD of President Johnson not running would make Republicans and Democrats suddenly make electoral reforms 10 years earlier.

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The party chairmen released that with no incumbent running, times for reforms are needed, and the primary systems are created.

[President Mitt]

The party chairmen released that with no incumbent running, times for reforms are needed, and the primary systems are created.

That's not a very detailed answer. The then current party leaders would want nothing to do with primaries, they didn't want to loose any power. I also don't see how LBJ not running would effect the Republican primaries at all. You would need a radical change in party leadership to get reforms made this early.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Well, you needed messy 1968 Democratic nomination contest to create McGovern/Fraser commission and push the reform, Republicans later followed.

So party leaders in 1964 just decided "hey, it would be cool idea".

Epic fail, dude, again.

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From now on, if anyone does not have anything helpful to say, don't bother posting it.

[President Mitt]

What did we post that was not helpful?

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I am not mad at you, yours are helpful, i was angry at Kalwejt

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

For poiting a lack of sense in nationwide primaries in 1964?

You better get comfortable with criticism and suggestions. That is how "what-if" board works. I received also many criticism and advices in my TL, but I either ignores or uses it.

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For poiting a lack of sense in nationwide primaries in 1964?

You better get comfortable with criticism and suggestions. That is how "what-if" board works. I received also many criticism and advices in my TL, but I either ignores or uses it.

I am okay with criticism, but i don't appreciate some telling me i have a lack of sense.