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« on: January 25, 2010, 09:57:37 PM »

This guy has made an interesting hypothetical map with the idea of creating equal population states.  Obviously it would never happen and if it did, would likely be a disaster (as he points out) with regards to integrating and changing all the local governments to match their new states' laws.  However, it is an interesting exercise and some of the states he has drawn might realistically break-off from their parent states without too much trouble.

Here's the link: http://www.fakeisthenewreal.org/reform/
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 11:15:15 PM »

Marin has been expelled from the Union, it seems.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 12:21:26 PM »

Interesting idea.

I don't see why Orange County by itself is big enough to be a state, it has about 3 million people, not 5.6

Llano Estacado would be more Republican than Nebraska-3 or Kansas-1

Missouri is so boring they can't think of a new name for it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 12:37:02 PM »

Interesting idea.

I don't see why Orange County by itself is big enough to be a state, it has about 3 million people, not 5.6

Good point. Perhaps they were counting on current Los Angeles + Orange being two full counties but didn't draw the map to reflect that. I'm not going to run the numbers on Mojave et al. to figure it out.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 12:38:52 PM »

What is the origin of the name "Brownia"?
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 12:43:21 PM »
« Edited: January 26, 2010, 12:45:34 PM by Verily »

Marin has been expelled from the Union, it seems.

Ocean County, NJ, too, and either McIntosh or Glynn County, Georgia (can't tell which).

Also, it looks like "Orange" contains a chunk of LA County as well, so it should reach 5.6 million.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 12:53:37 PM »

What is the origin of the name "Brownia"?

John Brown, presumably.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 01:00:00 PM »

I think some of the Mountain and plains states should be merged, like North & South Dakota, Idaho & Montana, Kansas & Nebraska, Utah & Nevada.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 01:18:55 PM »

I think some of the Mountain and plains states should be merged, like North & South Dakota, Idaho & Montana, Kansas & Nebraska, Utah & Nevada.

I'm not sure the most Libertairian state in the country would work so well with one of the most authorian. I think the people in Las Vegas would be upset when their northern neighbor outlaws gambling, and 24-hour marriages, thereby making a a huge chunk of the population unemplyed.

A better idea would probably be to merge Utah with Idaho (they could create one big state of political horror), and leave Montana and Nevada as they are.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 01:30:07 PM »
« Edited: January 26, 2010, 01:31:49 PM by Lunar »

I think Hawaii would be better paired with San Francisco than San Diego.  Yeah S.D. might be sunnier, but demographically I think they'd fit in better with the Asian-leaning  San Francisco than the Hispanic-leaning San Diego area.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2010, 01:37:09 PM »

I love "The Delta" because Memphis would be its obvious capital Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 06:28:42 PM »

No thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 09:15:08 PM »

Someone will try to gerrymander the states.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2010, 10:07:50 PM »

Someone will try to gerrymander the states.

If someone had the time and interest, a Democratic and Republican gerrymander of the United States would be sweet.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2010, 11:30:29 PM »

If this system is implemented, you'll know for sure that federalism is dead.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2010, 11:35:31 PM »

If this system is implemented, you'll know for sure that federalism is dead.

It never hurts to dream, friend.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2010, 01:06:32 AM »

This was a map that I had drawn a while back to create 100 senate districts.  They maintain a little more respect to state boundaries, with probably a little more variation in population equality.



And this version simply combined pairs of senate districts to create states.

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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2010, 01:12:45 AM »

I find it interesting that a LOT of such fantasy maps tend to preserve Missouri more or less intact.
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2010, 01:24:25 AM »

I find it interesting that a LOT of such fantasy maps tend to preserve Missouri more or less intact.

In 2000 its population was 1.988% of the total.  The 0.12% underage is equivalent to about 34,000 people which I ignored, and the other map added a few counties in Iowa.
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2010, 05:24:33 AM »

I find it interesting that a LOT of such fantasy maps tend to preserve Missouri more or less intact.

It's an average-sized state shaped by two powerful localities, not sure how much there needs to be changed
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2010, 04:50:12 PM »

That would be cool.
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 01:01:42 AM »

I find it interesting that a LOT of such fantasy maps tend to preserve Missouri more or less intact.

Missouri is at almost exactly 1/50th of the nation's population. You could legitimately try to recombine urban areas by uniting the Kansas Cities and St Louis/East St Louis and the areas around them, but that would be to create a map that reflects human geography rather than one designed to achieve population equality.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2010, 02:29:28 PM »

Awful idea.
American States need some redrawing, true. I also did propose an alternate map (mainly splits or fusions rather than total redrawings), but States have to make some sense culturally and poitically. This is just a large-scale gerrymandering.
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2010, 09:33:05 PM »

What is the origin of the name "Brownia"?

John Brown, I am guess... it would be consistent with the way of thinking displayed in the rest of his site.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2010, 12:20:34 AM »

I think it is a very cool idea in principle only.
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