Survey Atlasia - The Consitutional Convention and the Legislative Reboot

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This poll will run for 5 days and is for all Registered Atlasians.




Sponsor: The National Weekly Atlasian

[Marokai Backbeat]

We need something done with the statute at least IMO. Ideally for me, some sort of reboot, but if it is easier to swallow for others, I'd be just as happy with some sort of consolidation of the statute and removing old and/or poorly written laws.

[Hash]

Option one. I most absolutely do not support any kind of full re-boot.

[Associate Justice PiT]

We need something done with the statute at least IMO. Ideally for me, some sort of reboot, but if it is easier to swallow for others, I'd be just as happy with some sort of consolidation of the statute and removing old and/or poorly written laws.

     Poorly written is such a subjective notion that I doubt that any satisfactory standard could be created to measure that. I would be glad to strike all repealed & superceded laws from the record, though, as well as consolidating laws written with a sole function of amending existing statute into the laws that they amend.

[Marokai Backbeat]

We need something done with the statute at least IMO. Ideally for me, some sort of reboot, but if it is easier to swallow for others, I'd be just as happy with some sort of consolidation of the statute and removing old and/or poorly written laws.

     Poorly written is such a subjective notion that I doubt that any satisfactory standard could be created to measure that. I would be glad to strike all repealed & superceded laws from the record, though, as well as consolidating laws written with a sole function of amending existing statute into the laws that they amend.

I have a feeling that will end up being the compromise. It's perfectly sensible regardless.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Didn't we try a ConCon in the past?

[Marokai Backbeat]

Didn't we try a ConCon in the past?

That ConCon was horribly structured and died because it was too large and completely unfocused. If we can get another ConCon, it will (hopefully) have a specific and narrow goal with a smaller amount of people involved.

[HappyWarrior]

Option one. I most absolutely do not support any kind of full re-boot.

[Sewer]

If we can get another ConCon, it will (hopefully) have a specific and narrow goal with a smaller amount of people involved.

Can I be involved?

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Neither.

[ilikeverin]

I support a re-boot (or, at least, some way to keep Atlasian laws in line with United States ones, if we continue to insist Atlasia=United States), but not a constitutional convention.  I mean, think of the last one... what's to keep me and my cohort from ruining another one?

[Marokai Backbeat]

I support a re-boot (or, at least, some way to keep Atlasian laws in line with United States ones, if we continue to insist Atlasia=United States), but not a constitutional convention.  I mean, think of the last one... what's to keep me and my cohort from ruining another one?

I believe I've explained several times to people by now why bringing up the last ConCon is absurd. There are a variety of reasons why this one will hopefully be different.

But at least you're taking the most inexplicable stance so far. As opposed to people who voted for a game reform ticket yet for some reason are hesitant about actually changing anything (why did you guys vote for us again?) you've managed to say you support changing everything but don't support the mechanism necessary to make any change. Congrats!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I support a re-boot (or, at least, some way to keep Atlasian laws in line with United States ones, if we continue to insist Atlasia=United States), but not a constitutional convention.  I mean, think of the last one... what's to keep me and my cohort from ruining another one?

Because we have Maxim machine guns and you don't.

[ilikeverin]

I support a re-boot (or, at least, some way to keep Atlasian laws in line with United States ones, if we continue to insist Atlasia=United States), but not a constitutional convention.  I mean, think of the last one... what's to keep me and my cohort from ruining another one?

I believe I've explained several times to people by now why bringing up the last ConCon is absurd. There are a variety of reasons why this one will hopefully be different.

But at least you're taking the most inexplicable stance so far. As opposed to people who voted for a game reform ticket yet for some reason are hesitant about actually changing anything (why did you guys vote for us again?) you've managed to say you support changing everything but don't support the mechanism necessary to make any change. Congrats!

Or, you know... there's the whole, "amendment" system.  That's worked for a while.  And it avoids people bringing up the last ConCon, which everyone will do no matter how much you rant.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I support a re-boot (or, at least, some way to keep Atlasian laws in line with United States ones, if we continue to insist Atlasia=United States), but not a constitutional convention.  I mean, think of the last one... what's to keep me and my cohort from ruining another one?

I believe I've explained several times to people by now why bringing up the last ConCon is absurd. There are a variety of reasons why this one will hopefully be different.

But at least you're taking the most inexplicable stance so far. As opposed to people who voted for a game reform ticket yet for some reason are hesitant about actually changing anything (why did you guys vote for us again?) you've managed to say you support changing everything but don't support the mechanism necessary to make any change. Congrats!

Or, you know... there's the whole, "amendment" system.  That's worked for a while.  And it avoids people bringing up the last ConCon, which everyone will do no matter how much you rant.

I hate to sound condescending saying this (and I probably will anyway) but you're just not getting it. That's what we've been doing for ages which created the rickety patchwork Constitution that confuses newbies and veterans alike that we want to replace with a consolidated one specifically because another amendment would just add to the problem.

The only way to really accomplish the same thing would be to change the way we wiki things, but that is just covering up the problem, not actually solving anything. It's a rug over stains and a rotting wooden foundation as opposed to an actual renovation.

As for the comparisons to the ConCon continuing regardless, they're still wrong, and I don't really care how much ranting it takes, the comparisons are asinine and I will continually correct them regardless.

[California8429]

ConCon

[ilikeverin]

Oh, no, I wasn't asleep during the campaign, I know that that's the primary purpose of the ConCon, but an entire convention just to remodel the Constitution just to look shiny seems like a silly waste of time.  I have faith that you'll get around to real reform in the future, for good or for ill, but I don't think a "confusing Constitution" is one of them.  The Constitution has always been confusing.  As I recall, the second ConCon was essentially modeled on the "let's decrease confusion!" lines, and it didn't really help the problem.  More importantly, though, when's the last time anyone ever looked at the Constitution?

[Barnes]

Oh, no, I wasn't asleep during the campaign, I know that that's the primary purpose of the ConCon, but an entire convention just to remodel the Constitution just to look shiny seems like a silly waste of time.  I have faith that you'll get around to real reform in the future, for good or for ill, but I don't think a "confusing Constitution" is one of them.  The Constitution has always been confusing.  As I recall, the second ConCon was essentially modeled on the "let's decrease confusion!" lines, and it didn't really help the problem.  More importantly, though, when's the last time anyone ever looked at the Constitution?

I looked at it today.

[ilikeverin]

Oh, no, I wasn't asleep during the campaign, I know that that's the primary purpose of the ConCon, but an entire convention just to remodel the Constitution just to look shiny seems like a silly waste of time.  I have faith that you'll get around to real reform in the future, for good or for ill, but I don't think a "confusing Constitution" is one of them.  The Constitution has always been confusing.  As I recall, the second ConCon was essentially modeled on the "let's decrease confusion!" lines, and it didn't really help the problem.  More importantly, though, when's the last time anyone ever looked at the Constitution?

I looked at it today.

*gold star*

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh, no, I wasn't asleep during the campaign, I know that that's the primary purpose of the ConCon, but an entire convention just to remodel the Constitution just to look shiny seems like a silly waste of time.  I have faith that you'll get around to real reform in the future, for good or for ill, but I don't think a "confusing Constitution" is one of them.  The Constitution has always been confusing.  As I recall, the second ConCon was essentially modeled on the "let's decrease confusion!" lines, and it didn't really help the problem.  More importantly, though, when's the last time anyone ever looked at the Constitution?

I looked at it today.

*gold star*

I looked at it about two months ago. lol

[Marokai Backbeat]

I frequently check it, but that may have more to do with me being a Justice lately, than anything else.

[Purple State]

Oh, no, I wasn't asleep during the campaign, I know that that's the primary purpose of the ConCon, but an entire convention just to remodel the Constitution just to look shiny seems like a silly waste of time.  I have faith that you'll get around to real reform in the future, for good or for ill, but I don't think a "confusing Constitution" is one of them.  The Constitution has always been confusing.  As I recall, the second ConCon was essentially modeled on the "let's decrease confusion!" lines, and it didn't really help the problem.  More importantly, though, when's the last time anyone ever looked at the Constitution?

I disagree especially with the bolded part. While I acknowledge that a "shiny" consolidated Constitution won't fix all the problems, it is a piece of the puzzle for making this game more accessible and navigable for newbies and veterans alike.

I also don't think we lose anything by doing a consolidation convention (ironically still abbreviated ConCon). There will be a number of major reform initiatives going on simultaneously, from DoFA to Wiki to CCJA to the Constitution. I will also be focusing extensively on increasing the legitimacy and public awareness of the SoIA, SoEA and GM. Oh, and maybe a budget too.

There are a lot of moving parts and I look forward to making them all fit together. And I urge each and every Atlasian to get involved in these initiatives in a constructive manner.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Only the ConCon. I don't see the point of rebooting theentire Atlasian legislation, though a huge cleanup is indeed needed.