Irish leaders Survivor - SEAN LEMASS beats Michael Collins and is our survivor !

[big bad fab]

1. Michael Collins (Chairman of the provisional government 1922)
2. William Cosgrave (Chairman of the provisional government and President of the executive council 1922-1932)
3. Eamon de Valera (President of the executive council and Taoiseach 1932-1948, 1951-1954, 1957-1959, President 1959-1973)
4. Douglas Hyde (President 1938-1945)
5. Sean T. O'Kelly (President 1945-1959)
6. John Costello (Taoiseach 1948-1951, 1954-1957)
7. Sean Lemass (Taoiseach 1959-1966)
8. Jack Lynch (Taoiseach 1966-1973, 1977-1979)
9. Erskine Childers (President 1973-1974)
10. Liam Cosgrave (Taoiseach 1973-1977)
11. Cearbhall O Dalaigh (President 1974-1976)
12. Patrick Hillery (President 1976-1990)
13. Charles Haughey (Taoiseach 1979-1981, 1982, 1987-1992)
14. Garrett FitzGerald (Taoiseach 1981-1982, 1982-1987)
15. Mary Robinson (President 1990-1997)
16. Albert Reynolds (Taoiseach 1992-1994)
17. John Bruton (Taoiseach 1994-1997)
18. Bertie Ahern (Taoiseach 1997-2008)
19. Mary McAleese (President 1997-…)
20. Brian Cowen (Taoiseach 2008-…)

Results:
Round one: Haughey 7, De Valera 3, Childers 1
Round two: De Valera 6, L. Cosgrave 1, O Dalaigh 1
Round three: O Dalaigh 5, Cowen 2, Childers 1, L. Cosgrave 1
Round four: L. Cosgrave 6
Round five: Cowen 4, Reynolds 3
Round six: Reynolds 6, O'Kelly 1
Round seven: Ahern 5, Childers 1
Round eight: Childers 3, O'Kelly 2, W. Cosgrave 2, Lynch 1
Round nine: O'Kelly 5, W.Cosgrave 1
Round ten: Lynch 4, W. Cosgrave 2, Costello 1
Round eleven: W. Cosgrave 6, Costello 1
Round twelve: Costello 6
Round thirteen: Hyde 3, McAleese 2, Hillery 1
Round fourteen: McAleese 4, Hillery 3
Round fifteen: Hillery 4, FitzGerald 1
Round sixteen: FitzGerald 4, Bruton 2
Round seventeen: Bruton 2 (2 in previous rounds), Robinson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Lemass 1

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate.
The leadr who receives the biggest total of votes is eliminated. In case of a tie, the biggest vote-getter in previous rounds is ousted. In case of a new tie, the organizer will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+.

ROUND EIGHTEEN IS OPEN
Vote away !

[big bad fab]

In a very low turnout, a quite surprising result, with, for the first time, the implementation of my tie-breaking rule...

Michael Collins is the only one not to have received any vote.

I vote for Mary Robinson again.

[Јas]

Michael Collins is the only one not to have received any vote.

Well that changes now.
Collins was a strong military leader and an efficient administrator, but I don't think he was effective enough in the Treaty negotiations nor do I believe he would have been a good Government leader.

Michael "you can have your 7 minutes" Collins

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Collins

[Hash]

Mary Robinson

[Hans-im-Glück]

Mary Robinson

[Edu]

Mary Robinson

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Michael Collins

[tmthforu94]

     Michael Collins

[big bad fab]

1. Michael Collins (Chairman of the provisional government 1922)
2. William Cosgrave (Chairman of the provisional government and President of the executive council 1922-1932)
3. Eamon de Valera (President of the executive council and Taoiseach 1932-1948, 1951-1954, 1957-1959, President 1959-1973)
4. Douglas Hyde (President 1938-1945)
5. Sean T. O'Kelly (President 1945-1959)
6. John Costello (Taoiseach 1948-1951, 1954-1957)
7. Sean Lemass (Taoiseach 1959-1966)
8. Jack Lynch (Taoiseach 1966-1973, 1977-1979)
9. Erskine Childers (President 1973-1974)
10. Liam Cosgrave (Taoiseach 1973-1977)
11. Cearbhall O Dalaigh (President 1974-1976)
12. Patrick Hillery (President 1976-1990)
13. Charles Haughey (Taoiseach 1979-1981, 1982, 1987-1992)
14. Garrett FitzGerald (Taoiseach 1981-1982, 1982-1987)
15. Mary Robinson (President 1990-1997)
16. Albert Reynolds (Taoiseach 1992-1994)
17. John Bruton (Taoiseach 1994-1997)
18. Bertie Ahern (Taoiseach 1997-2008)
19. Mary McAleese (President 1997-…)
20. Brian Cowen (Taoiseach 2008-…)

Results:
Round one: Haughey 7, De Valera 3, Childers 1
Round two: De Valera 6, L. Cosgrave 1, O Dalaigh 1
Round three: O Dalaigh 5, Cowen 2, Childers 1, L. Cosgrave 1
Round four: L. Cosgrave 6
Round five: Cowen 4, Reynolds 3
Round six: Reynolds 6, O'Kelly 1
Round seven: Ahern 5, Childers 1
Round eight: Childers 3, O'Kelly 2, W. Cosgrave 2, Lynch 1
Round nine: O'Kelly 5, W.Cosgrave 1
Round ten: Lynch 4, W. Cosgrave 2, Costello 1
Round eleven: W. Cosgrave 6, Costello 1
Round twelve: Costello 6
Round thirteen: Hyde 3, McAleese 2, Hillery 1
Round fourteen: McAleese 4, Hillery 3
Round fifteen: Hillery 4, FitzGerald 1
Round sixteen: FitzGerald 4, Bruton 2
Round seventeen: Bruton 2 (2 in previous rounds), Robinson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Lemass 1
Round eighteen: Robinson 4 (2 in previous rounds), Collins 4 (0 in previous rounds)

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate.
The leadr who receives the biggest total of votes is eliminated. In case of a tie, the biggest vote-getter in previous rounds is ousted. In case of a new tie, the organizer will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+.

ROUND NINETEEN IS OPEN
Vote away !

[big bad fab]

A really surprising finale !

And while I was typing the results, Isaac voted for Collins... but the tie-breaking rule prevails and Robinson is ousted.

Well, I can't decide now...

REMEMBER YOU STILL VOTE TO ELIMINATE.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

For the f- sake the only two bearable choices were the previous two eliminated. And I was unavailable yesterday due to flu.

Anyway, I'm voting to eliminate Lemass. I'm not happy with Collins winning for a variety of reasons but I'd even unhappier with Lemass winning. He basically created the modern Fianna Fail Party and while yes he is the only taoiseach who can be considered an unambigious success that fact does not take away from various other facts about him.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Urgh. Though I suppose choosing between shit and shite is the norm for Irish politics. Abstain.

[Јas]

I wanted Robinson to win.
Not sure why she was eliminated.

Anyway, I'm sticking with Collins - whose place on the list is itself questionable.
Lemass was a fine Taoiseach.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Michael Collins

[Edu]

Collins

[big bad fab]

1. Michael Collins (Chairman of the provisional government 1922)
2. William Cosgrave (Chairman of the provisional government and President of the executive council 1922-1932)
3. Eamon de Valera (President of the executive council and Taoiseach 1932-1948, 1951-1954, 1957-1959, President 1959-1973)
4. Douglas Hyde (President 1938-1945)
5. Sean T. O'Kelly (President 1945-1959)
6. John Costello (Taoiseach 1948-1951, 1954-1957)
SURVIVOR !7. Sean Lemass (Taoiseach 1959-1966)
SURVIVOR !8. Jack Lynch (Taoiseach 1966-1973, 1977-1979)
9. Erskine Childers (President 1973-1974)
10. Liam Cosgrave (Taoiseach 1973-1977)
11. Cearbhall O Dalaigh (President 1974-1976)
12. Patrick Hillery (President 1976-1990)
13. Charles Haughey (Taoiseach 1979-1981, 1982, 1987-1992)
14. Garrett FitzGerald (Taoiseach 1981-1982, 1982-1987)
15. Mary Robinson (President 1990-1997)
16. Albert Reynolds (Taoiseach 1992-1994)
17. John Bruton (Taoiseach 1994-1997)
18. Bertie Ahern (Taoiseach 1997-2008)
19. Mary McAleese (President 1997-…)
20. Brian Cowen (Taoiseach 2008-…)

Results:
Round one: Haughey 7, De Valera 3, Childers 1
Round two: De Valera 6, L. Cosgrave 1, O Dalaigh 1
Round three: O Dalaigh 5, Cowen 2, Childers 1, L. Cosgrave 1
Round four: L. Cosgrave 6
Round five: Cowen 4, Reynolds 3
Round six: Reynolds 6, O'Kelly 1
Round seven: Ahern 5, Childers 1
Round eight: Childers 3, O'Kelly 2, W. Cosgrave 2, Lynch 1
Round nine: O'Kelly 5, W.Cosgrave 1
Round ten: Lynch 4, W. Cosgrave 2, Costello 1
Round eleven: W. Cosgrave 6, Costello 1
Round twelve: Costello 6
Round thirteen: Hyde 3, McAleese 2, Hillery 1
Round fourteen: McAleese 4, Hillery 3
Round fifteen: Hillery 4, FitzGerald 1
Round sixteen: FitzGerald 4, Bruton 2
Round seventeen: Bruton 2 (2 in previous rounds), Robinson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Lemass 1
Round eighteen: Robinson 4 (2 in previous rounds), Collins 4 (0 in previous rounds)
Round nineteen: Collins 4, Lemass 1

I vote for Collins and Lemass is a surprising survivor !
First time I see a survivor lost by left leaders... and even without my vote needed !
(is Lemass a rightist ? that's another discussion )
I was about to vote to eliminate Lemass, as Collins is the only Irish "hero", but that would have been hypocritical... Anyway, Lemass would have won.



Not precisely a playboy, eh ?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

We didn't have any 'left' leaders. In certain ways actually (but not crucially in others) Lemass was fairly leftish. Certainly compared to those that followed him.

Anyway, BOO.

[big bad fab]

We didn't have any 'left' leaders.

Robinson was the "left" leader of the list, wasn't she ?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

We didn't have any 'left' leaders.

Robinson was the "left" leader of the list, wasn't she ?

Compared to the others? Yes. She was a certain type of self-righteous liberal (not necessarily a bad thing).