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« on: April 09, 2009, 02:27:59 PM »

I should like to preface this with an extended quotation from H.L. Mencken's Last Words, pertinent parts bolded and italicized:

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Behold, the Christian: fixated on the talismanic power of the Cross, he instantly looses sight of himself and joins with his fellows in a tremendous act of group-think; he become a They, a hive mind, a mob that will consume everything vulgar and profane in its path.
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2009, 03:10:43 PM »

     We knew this would happen. Iowa is not really socially liberal; we're lucky that their Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage. Hopefully now the Iowans start to realize that gays marrying doesn't actually threaten them in any real way.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2009, 03:12:16 PM »

     We knew this would happen. Iowa is not really socially liberal; we're lucky that their Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage. Hopefully now the Iowans start to realize that gays marrying doesn't actually threaten them in any real way.

Short of Iowa going ahead and actually writing an entire new Constitution for the state just to ban gay marriage, which I think is such an extreme step as to be unfathomably impracticable, there will be no gay marriage ban in Iowa until 2014 due to the decision of the Democratic legislative leaders.

So, at minimum, five years of gay marriage in Iowa is now in the offing. And any such ban wouldn't take effect until November of 2014 at the earliest. Closer to six years than five, actually. That may actually be enough time for opinions in Iowa to change to the point where the Christers can't muster 50% + 1 at the ballot. Maybe.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2009, 03:12:58 PM »
« Edited: April 09, 2009, 03:16:34 PM by Holmes »

Well, every state has these kinds of people. I mean, so did California after all, and they did do a lot of protests -- it's not good to base the whole state on these kinds of people. There will be no amendment. I can promise that.

So, at minimum, five years of gay marriage in Iowa is now in the offing. And any such ban wouldn't take effect until November of 2014 at the earliest. Closer to six years than five, actually. That may actually be enough time for opinions in Iowa to change to the point where the Christers can't muster 50% + 1 at the ballot. Maybe.
In a year or two, it won't be an issue anymore except for the sort of people in your first post(but it might still seem like one because they're just loud). By 2014, a ban would lose.

They could have little victories though - like passing a law that requires a couple to be Iowa citizens to get married there. Little things like that that aren't too big of a deal but still suck if you're an out-of-stater.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2009, 03:57:39 PM »

     We knew this would happen. Iowa is not really socially liberal; we're lucky that their Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage. Hopefully now the Iowans start to realize that gays marrying doesn't actually threaten them in any real way.

Short of Iowa going ahead and actually writing an entire new Constitution for the state just to ban gay marriage, which I think is such an extreme step as to be unfathomably impracticable, there will be no gay marriage ban in Iowa until 2014 due to the decision of the Democratic legislative leaders.

So, at minimum, five years of gay marriage in Iowa is now in the offing. And any such ban wouldn't take effect until November of 2014 at the earliest. Closer to six years than five, actually. That may actually be enough time for opinions in Iowa to change to the point where the Christers can't muster 50% + 1 at the ballot. Maybe.

     Probably it will be. I'm pretty sure that if Proposition 8 could have been put off for 5 years it would have failed.
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